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Oh and Janes
My finale reply for tonight in regards to the interesting descriptions you had of me.
"Misguided"
Far from it.
"Arrogant"
No more than anyone else.
"argumentative"
Not really, just at times. Most who know would never use that word to describe me.
"know it all"
I can not deny that. It seems that is one of the few things you seem to understand about me. The perfection that is I is hard for most to understand after all. With all knowledge it is impossible for me to be wrong, yet so many like you try to claim I am. I can not help it that I have all the answers and know it all. I know that must cause you discomfort and that is most likely way you have such problems with me.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 27, 2006 at 8:57 PM
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Janes, I just keep rereading it and it make no sense
Here is your statement that you are claiming I misread-
"And regarding mental health, what, you worked as an aide in a local nursing home? Good for you. I have had multiple psych courses in college, and post graduate. Not only do I see dementia but I also deal with major mental health diagnoses on a regular basis, including depression and schizophrenia. But if YOU REALLY HAD A FRICKIN CLUE you would know that dementia is listed in the DSM-IV TR (bet you haven't even heard of this, but it's the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" and is the Bible for psychiatrists) as a psychiatric mental health diagnosis. Yeah, you got it. Dementia is a psychiatric diagnosis, same as schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder. And YOU are so damned ARROGANT and OBNOXIOUS to say that I don't know what I'm talking about, when YOU have just PROVEN WITHOUT A DOUBT YOUR STUPIDITY."
If you are not grouping all mental illness as dementia, then why do you become so focused on that when I had not said a single thing about dementia. You make the claim that I know nothing about it, as if we had been talking about it this whole time. How am I stupid because you go off topic into an are I had said nothing at all about? I talk about apples and you go and start talking about how I know nothing at all about pineapples with the information I give about apples.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 27, 2006 at 8:51 PM
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Janes
I did not understand, still do not as to why you mentioned dementia at all. the only logical reason I could see was that you were grouping all mental illnesses together. I could not make any sense out of why you started talking about dementia, since I had not said anything at all about it and you suddenly put it out there as if all we were talking about was dementia. The only thing that made sense was that you were putting all mental illnesses into the category of dementia. Read your comment to me and see what it was you were replying to. It just made no sense at all. You made it sound like I had been talking about dementia, which I never did, all I was talking about was mental illness.
You ahd either gone off on some drug induced rant about all your knowledge about dementia or you were linking mental illness in general to dementia.
Seriously just reread your comment and look at what it was a reply to.
Then please, tell me what the actual relevant point you were trying to make was. Outside of a childish attempt to discredit me, there was no point at all to you mentioning dementia.
You have a degree in history? I find that very hard to believe, since you seem to lack an understanding of the importance of history. Even in those times of 'peace' things were not perfect and crime has generally been much higher in the past than it is now. We have a much lower amount of unsolved crimes today more than any other time in history. Anyone who has really studied history should be abel to clearly see we have only gotten better of the most part. As you said, every age has had its evil, but we are so well informed now that we are able to really see the wrongs of past societies and can avoid them. I would love to see some examples as to why you think we are worst off today than we have been in the past.
And no, I will not 'wipe that nothing out of (my) mind'. I very much do not believe that in the least. Of course part of the mental illness has been and always will be a level of denial. A belief in Hell along with the belief that the world when end as the book of revelation describes really only serves one purpose, and that is to make yourself feel superior to all those who do not share your beliefs. You can keep on deny this all you want and maybe even be able to get yourself to believe you feel the way you claim you do. But there is a part of you that is looking forwards to looking down on those like me when you are proven right about your beliefs. You may not be gleeful, but you will not truly be upset over such an event. Don't kid yourself and don't lie to me about it.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 27, 2006 at 8:44 PM
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Oh and never have I thought of you as an
evil atheist.
Misguided? Sure. Arrogant, know it all, argumentative? Yup. But I'm sure you and others would say the same about me, and might even tack on "pig headed" to boot. I'm sure, at sometime or another I've been all of the above.
And like I will say yet again (although I've mentioned it at least once before in this post alone) I am not gleeful about anyone potentially going to hell. Never have I said or insinuated that. Nor would I be happy to be proven right just to see you "burn in hell." Wipe that notion out of your mind, Kooka.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 27, 2006 at 6:56 PM
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Ugh. I give up. Oy Vey.
You evidently did not read my comment. I am well aware that dementia is only a type of mental illness. In case you did not read it, here's what I said: "dementia is listed in the DSM-IV TR (bet you haven't even heard of this, but it's the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" and is the Bible for psychiatrists) as a psychiatric mental health diagnosis. Yeah, you got it. Dementia is a psychiatric diagnosis, same as schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder." -- Note I said that dementia is A psychiatric diagnosis. For that matter, Dementia is one of many psychiatric diagnoses. Where in heaven's name did I say that "labeling all mental illness as being dementia"? NOWHERE! I have never believed that, and nowhere in my paragraph did I say that. Duh.
I think, when you read, you're so busy composing a rebuttal in your head that you don't even read the entire thing.
You'll laugh at this, Kooka, but I actually graduated with honors with a BA in European history! I did a semester of graduate studies in history as well but decided that I was too practical to be studying the theories about post modernistic theory (not to mention other theoretical concepts), so after completing one semester did not pursue it any further. So yes, although it's been awhile, I can recall a ton of the principles I learned from my study of history. Every age has its evils, some more than others. If you look solely at World War II and Hitler's evil deeds, than yes we are better off today than in previous years. If you look at the Crusades (which many love to throw at Christians to prove that we're terrible people) then perhaps we're better off. But in between many of those brutal times, depending on the country, there was frequently peace, integrity, morality and justice. Furthermore, it wasn't until recently that truth has pretty universally become relative. The idea that your truth is whatever you want it to be versus my truth, which is whatever I want it to be. That is a relatively new construct with the modern age, and that is a huge change from the ages past (although it did become evident during the old Roman Empire as it fell apart from within and attacked from without by Visigoths and others). And because of that relativism alone, I think this world has changed for the worse.
Bah humbug. Enjoy your weekend.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 27, 2006 at 6:53 PM
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Oh, and Janes
I have a fair amount of knowledge about dementia. Just look at my father and his really strange dog thing. He is obviously not all there.
I am very grateful to not have inherited my parent's mental issues.
I think he thinks that dog thing is funny, although it is just annoying and makes no sense at all.
And Janes, this is called a joke. I am saying it to bug my father. The reality is that this reply is not for you, but him. I am giving him a hard time. I figured I better make that clear just in case you are confused about the comment.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 26, 2006 at 8:12 PM
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Janes, you really are something
Ignorance such as yours is a scary thing, mostly because it is obviously a self imposed ignorance where you refuse to give credit to facts that are presented to you because they do not agree with your desired views. All that I said was 100% proven fact. All you need to do in order ot find these facts is to get out and study history. The resources are Jr. High and High School history classes as well as decades of my own personal learning outside of school. I know that for you all history is false, except that Bible (Which is still unproven to be fact) and that if actual recorded history does not back up what you want to believe you will ignore it fully. If you wish for me to provide references, please tell me what parts you do not believe and why. Since I will need to know what stuff you are too lazy to learn about for yourself, since you do have internet access after all and it takes no time at all to look things up on the internet.
Sorry, but I proved my point since I used facts and if you wish to try and dispute my claims, go and find the fact that dispute it. Do not just write me off because you are too lazy to learn it for yourself. Oh yeah, Christian propaganda is NOT proof of anything. Find actual sources for historic information if you wish to actually see the truth about what I say.
How did you end up labeling all mental illness as being dementia? I never once said anything at all about dementia. I would say someone who decided that anyone one who uses the term 'mental illness' must be talking about dementia to really not know much about psychology. You whole spell is as weak as it gets. It sounds like I have taken as many college level classes as you have. I am not saying that all those who believe in the doomsday concept do not suffer from dementia, I am sure many, many do. There are other forms of mental illness though, such as depression and such. If you knew as much about mental illness as you claim, you would never have tried to use that argument. That was beyond belief a weak and obvious attempt to discredit me since you had no actual evidence to prove me wrong. I got 'A's in all my psychology classes and have been told that I have a natural talent for being able to deal with and see such things. So don't try to discredit me with such B.S. I may not be an expect, although neither are you clearly, but I do not make any statements if I do not know what I am talking about. You might wish to try and do that for once yourself.
I still hold a fair amount of respect for religious beliefs, much more than you do. I know Christians who do not believe in the doomsday B.S and they have studied Revelation. They are of course the more sane ones who actually are not so messed up in the head that they are foolish enough to take every word of the Bible literally. They have a clue and they actually feel the same way I do about those who preach the end times B.S. And I am not even talking about my father, who you seem to have issue with as well. They also lack the 'holier than thou' mentality that you and so many other like you show as part of your mental illness.
All you have done is helped to show that my point is valid. Instead of actually proving me wrong in any sense at all, you have shown yourself to be mentally ill. Yes, I am saying that you are clearly beyond a doubt mentally ill. I have seen this before from you actually. You name call and insult left and right, then you make up things and refuse to listen to facts. You put all your effort into blindly discrediting me in a childish manner and are unable to see that you are doing this. My guess is you believe you are in the right because I am an 'evil' atheist, who is trying to bring down 'good' Christians such as yourself (Now that is funny). Due to your hatred of me, you are blinded to reality and are so caught up in this fantasy life of yours, based on your poorly built religious beliefs, that you would go and attack anything thing I said, no matter how much it is based on proven fact, if it disagrees with you in the slightest, since ti might break down your illusion if you were ever to actually listen to reason.
Oh, and I already know for fact that you are looking forwards to judgment day. You can not wait for the time when you are proven right. If you are right and those like me get punished, you will be one of the first ones to stand there and look down on us all and say 'I told you so' or 'See, I was right and you wrong'. That is the true reward you and so many others are waiting for with your visions of judgment day. I know you will try to claim I ma wrong and that you are not like that at all. But we can try to be grown ups, since we both know this to be true. When you make your claim against this truth, which I know you will, it will be a lie. We both know the truth on this one. It is part of the mental illness that is there for all those who are just waiting for judgment day to come.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 26, 2006 at 8:07 PM
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Kooka, as usual, you've proven nothing.
I'd like the data to prove that the world is getting better. Give me statistics from a variety of nations that show without a doubt that there is improved morality. Don't give me a load of crap based on what YOU think just because YOU KNOW it to be fact. I have so little faith in your PROOFS on a variety of fronts that until you can give factual statistics, then all you're writing is just a load of BS. (And, by the way, in all that you've written, I don't recall ever seeing a REAL reference to backup any of your supposed proofs.)
And regarding mental health, what, you worked as an aide in a local nursing home? Good for you. I have had multiple psych courses in college, and post graduate. Not only do I see dementia but I also deal with major mental health diagnoses on a regular basis, including depression and schizophrenia. But if YOU REALLY HAD A FRICKIN CLUE you would know that dementia is listed in the DSM-IV TR (bet you haven't even heard of this, but it's the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" and is the Bible for psychiatrists) as a psychiatric mental health diagnosis. Yeah, you got it. Dementia is a psychiatric diagnosis, same as schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder. And YOU are so damned ARROGANT and OBNOXIOUS to say that I don't know what I'm talking about, when YOU have just PROVEN WITHOUT A DOUBT YOUR STUPIDITY.
What you lack is respect for the religious beliefs of people who happen to believe in a spiritual event, i.e. a rapture. Because you have such antipathy towards Christians (except for those you pick and choose such as your father who conveniently picks and chooses what he wishes to believe from the Bible), of course you're going to call us all mental. But you know what, Kooka? I could give a rip as to your opinion. Call us all a bunch of raving whackos, if it makes you feel better. You are bent on being such an arrogant know it all, when you have just proven you don't have a clue. So fine. Call me a lunatic. A diagnosis by someone as clueless as yourself is simply a joke.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 26, 2006 at 5:34 PM
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posted by
Xeno-x
on January 26, 2006 at 2:38 PM
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You'll wake up Saturday morning to Ralph speaking his name.
Rauf!
Rauf!
He doesn't pronounce it very well.
Rauf!
Rauf!
he said he's coming and he certainly will.
just don't step on him when you get out of bed.
Rauf!
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 26, 2006 at 2:34 PM
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Janes
No, I am not joking when I say that ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THAT THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END IS MENTALLY DISTURBED. I've worked in a nursing home and have seen it all myself. That kind of illness is different than what I am talking about. My guess is you have not actually studied any psychology at all then. Mental illness is not just people who have no clue as to where they are or what the date is. I've only taken a few college psychology classes myself and I know this simple fact very well. Mental illness is more commonly unnoticeable unless you really listen to people who are mentally ill. Those who wish for a doomsday scenario to happen and are positive that it will happen during their life time are mentally ill. I still have yet to be presented with any evidence at all to show me otherwise.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 26, 2006 at 8:53 AM
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JANES, YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE IGNORANT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS
Have you never studied history at all then? By your own words I must figure that to be true.
" Tell that to the children the world over being sold into slavery as prostitutes, "
That is nothing new at all and has been going on throughout recorded history. In fact ti has been just over the last hundred years or so when man kind really decided that it was a wrong thing to do and it has been being fought against. After all the Bible very clearly says that Children are personal property and can be sold as slaves, especially the females. Christians have been just as guilty of doing this as any other culture. It is much less common today than it has been in the past.
"or the millions of children in African nations who are left without parents due to the massive AIDS epidemic"
That itself it not a moral issue really. It is not just sex that spreads AIDS after all. It is spreading faster in areas that are less hygienic and are smaller groups living in really limited space. No surprise at all there. Are you implying that AIDS is punishment from God? The people who believe that are undeniably sick in the head. The AIDS epidemic still has not done as much damage of the plagues or even small pox. And AIDs is much more controllable if we put up the right precautions. The real killer diseases are not controllable and wipe out large portions of the population in little time. We are lucky if AIDS is the worst we face, since man kind has seen much, much worse.
"or the children dying of AIDS because they've been raped by adults infected with the disease."
That is neither here nor there. That is more about raping kids than AIDS itself, and children being raped is much less common now days than it was in our past.
"These deeds are more frequent and awful than you would ever imagine."
No, they are less frequent than they have been in the past. Still just as awful, but it is not happening as much as it was. Even within the last hundred years we as a society have become so much more aware of these things and are talking about and taking actions to reduce them.
"Tell that to the women throughout the world being raped by their male relatives (who happen to be Muslim) because the men can get away with such atrocities (it takes four women to speak against the claims of one man, according to the Koran)."
Actually the same goes here, Such actions have been taking place since the dawn of recorded history. And every group has been guilty of this kind of thing. Yes, even the Christians have done it and have treated women as if they deserved it and that the men should not be punished for it. And once more it is no where near as common today as it has been in the past.
"Tell that to the increasing number of Americans whose lives are being slowly decimated thanks to their addictions to drugs, gambling and pornography. "
No, it is not increasing. Drug addiction is not on the rise, neither is gambling and I have yet to know of anyone who's life has been decimated due to enjoying pornography and I am not sure how such a thing could happen.
"I don't think this world is becoming more moral, but of course that's only my opinion."
That is because you live in a bubble. We have reached such a level of morals that anything that does not meet our level seems even worse, yet the truth is that as a whole the world is acting much more moral towards each other than it has ever been in the past. Go and study history, even the Bible shows a greater lack of morals in man kind than we have today.
" I'm sure both of you will make some sort of smart a__ remark "proving" I'm wrong. "
I need not make any smart ass remarks since all my remarks here have not been so. Well, except maybe this one. As for proving you wrong, you have shown yourself to be wrong without me writing a single thing. You have not really studied history and seem to know little about the past of man kind.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 26, 2006 at 8:46 AM
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I said wind tunnel somewhere down there. I meant wind turbine.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 25, 2006 at 8:22 PM
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Kooka, regarding your comment about warped and
"mentally disturbed" people -- sorry, but you're dealing with someone who sees demented and mentally disturbed people at work day in and day out -- i.e. elderly people with Alzheimers, dementia related delusions, and delirium. It's not pleasant, it's really difficult for the patient and really, it's something I would not even joke about anymore. Not from what I've seen.
Yes, there are people out there with significant mental imbalances. As well, there are folks who, like I mentioned in my previous post are a little off balance as they hole up in their caves waiting for the end of the world. But to compare your average, earnest Christian (who happens to believe in an after life with Christ and/or the Rapture) with someone who is either mentally very sick, or touched in the head is, to be honest, a slap in the face for the Christian, and pretty degrading for the mentally ill person.
So I will assume you're joking, but I have to tell you it was a BAD joke.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 25, 2006 at 7:38 PM
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Hmmm, did I say I was "glee"full over these events, Mr Xenox?
I did not use that word. Those were your son's words or yours but I do not take credit for it.
To be blatantly honest, the books of Revelations and Daniel and other prophetic books of the Bible confuse the heck out of me. I don't have time to do an indepth study [I should say that apologetically. It would be nice to be retired and/or unencumbered with a job so that I could spend all of my days studying and writing brilliant theses, but I don't have the time. So instead I spend most of my time working with about 5-10 minutes in the early AM reading my Bible, along with short periods of time in the evening.].
I do not believe, like some loonies, that the end of the world is coming next month -- so sell your possessions, cozy up in a cave and post a sign at the cave entrance saying "repent. The end of the world cometh" -- or some other nonsense. However, from what little I know of biblical prophecy, and from what I've observed in the area of politics -- I do not believe that the world as we know it will be around for ever and a day.
Kooka says we're becoming more moral or upright or whatever. I don't see it. Tell that to the children the world over being sold into slavery as prostitutes, or the millions of children in African nations who are left without parents due to the massive AIDS epidemic, or the children dying of AIDS because they've been raped by adults infected with the disease. These deeds are more frequent and awful than you would ever imagine. Tell that to the women throughout the world being raped by their male relatives (who happen to be Muslim) because the men can get away with such atrocities (it takes four women to speak against the claims of one man, according to the Koran). Tell that to the increasing number of Americans whose lives are being slowly decimated thanks to their addictions to drugs, gambling and pornography. I don't think this world is becoming more moral, but of course that's only my opinion. I'm sure both of you will make some sort of smart a__ remark "proving" I'm wrong.
I also don't believe this world will go on forever simply because we're maxing out all the natural resources. I'm sure you'll blame that on Christians, but the fact is that as more Indians (of India) and Chinese adopt a more western culture, they're also buying up cars, demanding more power and competing for limited natural resources. So unless everyone accepts a wind tunnel in their backyards (everyone except Senator Ted Kennedy, of course, because it would block his pristine view of the coastline from the Kennedy compound) and we figure out how to mass produce and sell Hydrogen fuel real quick -- this old earth is going to run out of renewable fuel in the next few generations.
But am I "gleeful" about all this? No. I never used those words.
So I happen to be one who questions whether this old earth is going to live on as we know it into the future. But that said, it's not something I sweat over. I believe that my life is in God's hands; I have entrusted it to Him. It is God who will judge the thoughts and intentions of my heart and frankly that's all that matters.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 25, 2006 at 7:30 PM
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that was Ralph speaking to you.
look for him.
probably on your recliner
and Janes -- i think i'll do a hting on judgement.
too many people look forward with glee to the disasters they imagine.
The Book of Revelation is nothing more than imagry -- metaphor -- every generation sseems to have thought that it was coming true in a literal sense in their lifetimes -- read the beginning -- it says "things which must shortly come to pass" -- meaning within the writer's lifetime??? -- or not much longer thereafter.
So they've already happened.
It's a metaphor that can apply generally at any time and any place and with any bureaucratic system such as the Roman or our own United States.
Your glee could very well turn to sorrow when these things happen to you.
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 25, 2006 at 7:44 AM
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Janes
If you go and really study history and look at us compared to where we have been, we are in a time where we are actually be very good morally. We are following the values of your faith more today than we have ever before. There is less murder and rape going on today than in the past. There is recorded history of greater numbers of homosexuals in various cultures as well as very open prostitution and drug use. None of the 'moral degradation' that many misguided people claim is taking place here in America today can come close to comparing to what has already been done in the past by other societies. If it was about times of great 'sin' then God has already missed his cue and must be waiting for things to go back downhill.
There is really no logic at all to anyone making the claims that the end times are near, unless they are mentally disturbed and are looking forwards to it for whatever warped reasons.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 24, 2006 at 7:09 PM
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Mr "Know it all Kooka"
According to your reasoning, then, I'm in the lunatic fringe. I do question how much longer this old world will go on, and I do believe there will be some apocalyptical changes coming within the next few generations.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 24, 2006 at 6:59 PM
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Janes
Anyone who is of the sick mindset and goes around preaching about judgment day is part of that lunatic fringe. Anyone who really believes that judgment days is going to happen during their life time is screw in the head and fits into the category I mentioned, since the only reason for wanting such an event to take place is ego over believing that your life time is the most important one and that you will be abel to show all others that you are better than they are. Otherwise, it makes no sense at all to make the foolish and very irrational claim that we are in the end times.
So if you are saying that you are rational minded enough to not believe the end times are near, then you do get to exclude yourself. Otherwise, if you tell me that you believe the end times are coming soon, then you must be getting off on it in some form and you are exactly the kind of person I am talking about.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 24, 2006 at 6:47 PM
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Hmmm, last I knew I wasn't feeling orgasmic
over the thought that someday I might be separated from some of my dearest friends. Nor would I orgasmically and ecstatically wish for anyone to burn in hell.
You must be commenting on those few who belong to the "lunatic fringe."
posted by
JanesOpinion
on January 24, 2006 at 6:30 PM
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