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Dylan
That was a really good answer. Well presented and clear as being your personal beliefs on the matter, at which point there is little else I can say from my point of view.
I really think a lot of believers here on Blogit could learn from you.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 26, 2006 at 8:23 AM
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The questions pile up more easily than the answers.
This is when believers fall back on the "mystery of faith." This may be something like a cop-out, but then again, these would be difficult questions for anyone to answer. Surely on could challenge non-believers with questions tailored to them: "If not God, then what objective source of morality?" or "What is the point of life if it all ends when we die?"
For my part, I will say I do not know if God changes his mind. Perhaps he is just waiting for us to ask the right questions, make the right prayers. ("Bless me father with a new Mercedes" might not be well-received.) I think it is precisely because we do not know these things that we continue praying, asking for guidance as much as particular outcomes. God works in mysterious ways -- or something.
posted by
Dyl_Pickle
on January 25, 2006 at 6:38 PM
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Ralph meet Kooka
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 24, 2006 at 2:44 PM
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weirder yet, the pentacostals have a special prayer where the holy spirit
Actually, supposedly, speaks through the voice of a member of the congreation.
Can you imagine the voice of god present in the service? Neat, eh?
For the most part god hasn't learned to speak English yet and so the stuff sounds like jiberish but of course it's not.
Another nifty part about being a pentacostal is that unlike Catholics who are not allowed to ask for financial wealth in their prayers, the holy rollers can demand that the Lord reward them as is their destiny.
A lot of nice vehicles can be found in these parking lots of the successful. They have nice looking well dressed horny pliable ladies as well.
When the Johova's Witnesses came once to wake me up on Sunday morning, because I had seen them standing with their breifcases on my porch, I decided not to get dressed as I wished to return straight to bed. would you say that is rude or normal payback behaviour. I invited no one to stand on my porch
posted by
Bud-Oracle
on January 24, 2006 at 12:06 PM
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this is ralph
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 24, 2006 at 12:04 PM
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just talk to ralph will you?
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 24, 2006 at 12:04 PM
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xeno, old man
I have no idea what any of that means.
You've really lost it, haven't you?
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 24, 2006 at 11:33 AM
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kid look next to you
there's a little guy to do your biding.
no the kid
his name's ralph by the way.
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 24, 2006 at 11:21 AM
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Dylan
That still does not answer my questions. Does god change his mind? Does praying more convince God to change his mind? Does having others pray for you get God to change his mind?
From what I see in your reply, you are saying that if God does not answer your prayers right away he is most likely testing you and making sure that you are dedicated to what you are asking for. Is that what you believe then?
So then what is the power of single prayer? Does God then not have to listen to a single prayer?
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 24, 2006 at 10:10 AM
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I think it depends on what you "nag" him about.
The use of "nag" suggests annoying and repeated requests for something trivial. Asking repeatedly and earnestly, with others, for God to do something really important for you is quite a different thing. Not so much nagging as imploring, beseeching. You do it more than once so that you can convey the importance of the matter, in order to respect the continuing urgency of the matter lest we stop mentioning it and eventually forget it. (This is especially a risk if we are praying for distant others, whom we may just as easily forget but who nonetheless might be encouraged by the public affirmation of support for them.)
Which brings on another point: It may encourage people to know that others are praying for them. Of course, if we tell people we will pray for them, we had better serve honesty by actually doing so. I would assume that it would help even more for them to know that your prayers continue for as long as the problem goes on, even at the risk of sounding redundant. If the matter is important enough, I doubt God will be annoyed. And a God that would deny a fair request for reasons of being annoyed is not one to whom I would pledge allegiance anyway.
I do not really expect to persuade you that it is a good idea to pray frequently or to pray to intercessors. I hope, however, I have given you reason to doubt that such behavior is necessarily idolatry.
posted by
Dyl_Pickle
on January 23, 2006 at 5:30 PM
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actually
there these little guys all around that all h ou have to do is find one and get his attention and he'll do whatever you want
within reason.
but sometimes they are just nuisances
then you gotta cuss them out.
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 23, 2006 at 1:51 PM
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