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regarding a creator as Christianos accept the idea
if the sole purpose of creating us humans is, as it seems according to the Christianos, simply to have a populaton worshipping that creator, then what we have here is a massive ego -- not a creator fit to be worshipped at all
if, on the other hand, we accept an entirely different concept -- that of the Universe as God -- and an evolving one at that -- and that all the workings of the Universe, including the ascent of Man from lowere life forms, are part of an ongoing, developing process, and that intelligent beings on whatever planet they may reside or in whatever form, whether human, ape, cretacean, bird (these all have been discovered to possess an intelligence) are the ultimate expression of this god, then we have a god that worthy of worship -- and how do we sorship this god? -- by working toward the best outcome for ourselves and all around us, for whatever we then come in contact with is god and should be treated as such.
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 4, 2006 at 8:20 AM
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Dylan
As my father pointed out, the perfect God concept will be the number one argument used by those who wish to push the idea of I.D. and creationism going together.
I personally have yet to see any proof that there is such a being out there. It is very clear beyond clear to me that is there is God or some other form of a creator being out there it is clearly not prefect, not all-powerful, having limits. Just the concept of the perfect all-powerful being alone is one of the biggest obstacles to this kind of thinking ever being able to be looked at as anything close to serious science.
It is the inability of the I.D. pushers to separate the concept from the Biblical ideas that causes most of the problems. I.D. without God or without an all-powerful being, comes closer to making sense and having a possible science to it, although that is still Sci-Fi at this stage.
It is just too clear that there are limits to how life can be created and that is there was some force that helped to design man kind, that such a force had to go through stages. After all our bodies are not perfect. We all have flaws and we al have parts that are not needed and can cause problems. That alone points greatly to evolution, unless God makes mistakes, which would then imply the imperfection of God as well.
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kooka_lives
on January 3, 2006 at 8:09 PM
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I agree with your conclusion but challenge one of your reasons.
Man would err in his first try, but would God? If the Intelligent Designer is God, then nothing in the definition of God as I understand it would make it implausible to believe that God had intelligently created the universe in six days.
According to my understanding, in other words, he could have done it in six days, but didn't.
There may be some proponents of I.D. who accept evolution and posit that it was an Intelligent Designer who started and guided the process. That makes for a more sophisticated divine-creator argument than the literal Biblical creationist theory which could not be defended in scientific terms at all.
Creationists have -- at least the politically astute ones -- evolved, no pun intended, into a more sophisticated and credible species.
posted by
Dyl_Pickle
on January 3, 2006 at 7:22 PM
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I Understand Your Argument
I have always believed in the Word. Until it comes to our school district, I am not sure how I would vote on this. I understand the separation of church and state and am not sure how I feel regarding new curriculum in the sciences on this subject. Good post.
posted by
Dr_JPT
on January 3, 2006 at 6:21 PM
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well yeah
but they'll say he'sperfect
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 2, 2006 at 10:15 AM
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