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malcolm - I love your closing line being a rudimentary Cad Cam afficianado
....that I am.
Yeah no kidding, and it has to be this way......peaceful Christians we can tolerate.
posted by
gomedome
on November 11, 2005 at 6:11 PM
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mikebrown - I stopped by the link you dropped and again I say Bravo
posted by
gomedome
on November 11, 2005 at 6:04 PM
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We used to have
scripture lessons and science lessons. In a funny kind of way they hung out together and we could believe in one and see the reality in the other. In my simple world, I believe that God created everything and gave us the tools to find out what he had created, using science and technology. Where the creationists fail is in not accepting that the carpenter's set-square and saw are now 3-dimensional CAD programs.
posted by
malcolm
on November 11, 2005 at 3:44 PM
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gome
speaking of the taliban, i posted something today that you might enjoy. check it out -
http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/mikebrown/2005-11-11
posted by
mikebrown
on November 11, 2005 at 2:59 PM
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mandalee
anything that's taught in school needs to be based on logic and reason, not blind faith or popular opinion. evolution, while it's a theory that hasn't been perfected yet, has tons of scientific proof. the theory that a christian god made everything has none. that's ONE reason it shouldn't be taught in public schools.
oh, and there was that seperation of church and state thing that people used to care about, too.
posted by
mikebrown
on November 11, 2005 at 2:57 PM
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Gomedome, I have no problem with other theories being taught.
posted by
Amanda__
on November 11, 2005 at 11:47 AM
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MandaLee - will you give my theory equal time?
The argument that some aspects of the universe around us are too intricate to have evolved naturally is a compelling one. I understand why some people believe this to be true. I even lean towards our origins being propogated by some sort of influencing event myself but nothing close to the God that you believe in. I think we could make a strong argument for a one time intervention from some other species or beings. Will you allow this theory to be taught beside creationism? If not, why would you think that I would allow my children to be taught your theory when mine is so much better an explanation? This last question is a rhetorical question but it does illustrate that a bias towards the traditional creation story does not necessarily make it more valid than other contentions.
posted by
gomedome
on November 11, 2005 at 11:27 AM
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Gomedome, Creationism should be given equal time to
evolution. Regardless of whether or not anyone necessarily believes in a religion or not, I think things are far too intricate to have simply evolved. Life as we know it had to have been created by someone intelligent, I choose to call Him God. However, many don't and I respect that.
posted by
Amanda__
on November 11, 2005 at 11:09 AM
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mikebrown - exactly - the fact that this debate has re-surfaced with such
vigor demonstrates for us the influence of a fundie revival on society. This issue was ridiculous in 1925 during the Stokes trial, it is lunacy in 2005. ....and this all happening in the country who was responsible for routing the Taliban just a few years back? Have these people developed amnesia? .....or more likely they are adhering to the notion that backwards, fundamentalist views are okay if they are your own and not another religions.
posted by
gomedome
on November 11, 2005 at 10:51 AM
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Pat_B - forty-eleven? --- is that the same as 51?
I agree, there is certainy enough freedom within our western societies for anyone wishing to teach their children specific religious beliefs to find an avenue to do so. But as soon as those beliefs are lobbied into public education a certain amount of that freedom is lost by the example you give in other groups wanting to do the same thing.
posted by
gomedome
on November 11, 2005 at 10:47 AM
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Xeno-x - that's the pandora's box that is being opened currently
one group's beliefs being discussed in public domain opens the doors to all others.
posted by
gomedome
on November 11, 2005 at 10:42 AM
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the fact that this is even a debate
alone is frightening. i know you don't live in the US, so this may not scare you as much as me, but something tells me that this is the direction we are heading in.
speaking of evolution and natural selection: can you believe that the genes of the people on the creationism side of the debate even made it this far? being a dipshit must have some significant survival value.
posted by
mikebrown
on November 11, 2005 at 9:33 AM
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what's wrong with getting the creationism story at church
as the founding fathers intended? Start the Judeo-Christian version of history in the schools and the next thing you know the Moslems and Buddhists and Hari Krishnas and forty-eleven other sects will be entitled to equal time... And everyone knows the conservative folks don't want us teaching about sects in front of the children. :)
posted by
Pat_B
on November 11, 2005 at 9:17 AM
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yeah have a class in creation
the world on a turtle idea
hindu
buddhist
indingenous american creation stories
babylonian
sumerian
egyptian
and the Genesis story.
lump them all together
to demonstrate the different stories.
and of course a section comparing each to the others
and a section somparing each to evolution.
excerpts from creationists' arguments in favor of the genesis story.
also any ocntemporary adherents to any of the other stories.
then highlighting the evidences for evolution
and make it, not a "taught" class, but a discussion.
this should do what hasn't been done.
demonstrate the validity of each.
I would think that evolution would be shown to be valid and that the others, invalid.
the problem today is with declining to do this in the first place
this would have to be at an introductory high school level, where students begin to try to think.
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 11, 2005 at 7:06 AM
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