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fwmystic
1. The forged Niger documents are not the only link between Iraq and Niger. Remember Joe Wilson did not even see the documents until well after his trip yet his findings actually bolstered the contention that Iraq had indeed attempted to buy yellow-cake.
2. While Libby is an obvious ass, the point that conservatives are making is that by reason of the fact she had not been overseas in the past five years there was no crime so there should have not even been a grand jury. I'll be honest, if I'm someone who makes 50 calls a day between countless meetings, I think there's a possibility I could get caught for perjury just on confusion. I'm not saying that's the case here, but that's the problem with the whole deal.
posted by
jethro
on November 7, 2005 at 7:59 PM
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WriterofLight
It sure has and still little reporting.......I thought I'd give it another shot.
fwmystic... it's good to see you defending Libby now........
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on November 7, 2005 at 4:50 AM
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This has been out, as it were, for some time.
But the news media won't touch it because it takes away from the Bush-bashing.
posted by
WriterofLight
on November 6, 2005 at 7:34 PM
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Scooter was NOT indicted for outing Plame ...
but for LYING to a federal grand jury.
posted by
fwmystic
on November 6, 2005 at 5:15 PM
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Sorry to burst your bubble ...
but the Italians caught the guy who forged the Niger documents, and they can't believe they were ever taken seriously by the CIA, much less the president of the US. Scooter was indicted for outing Plame, he was indicted for LYING to a federal grand jury.
posted by
fwmystic
on November 6, 2005 at 5:14 PM
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scoop
We don't know any more than we know what Wilson said is true...the difference there is however that Wilson in the closed session of the Congressional Committee said a different story from what he said in his Op-Ed piece........But as this continues...don't you think this man should also be heard by the investigators?
From National Review Online:
For starters, he has insisted that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, was not the one who came up with the brilliant idea that the agency send him to Niger to investigate whether Saddam Hussein had been attempting to acquire uranium. "Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson says in his book. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip." In fact, the Senate panel found, she was the one who got him that assignment. The panel even found a memo by her. (She should have thought to use disappearing ink.)
Wilson spent a total of eight days in Niger "drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people," as he put it. On the basis of this "investigation" he confidently concluded that there was no way Saddam sought uranium from Africa. Oddly, Wilson didn't bother to write a report saying this. Instead he gave an oral briefing to a CIA official.
Oddly, too, as an investigator on assignment for the CIA he was not required to keep his mission and its conclusions confidential. And for the New York Times, he was happy to put pen to paper, to write an op-ed charging the Bush administration with "twisting," "manipulating" and "exaggerating" intelligence about Saddam Hussein's weapons programs "to justify an invasion."
In recent days, the Financial Times reports:
The illicit sales of uranium from Niger were indeed being negotiated with Iraq, as well as with four other states.
According to the FT: "European intelligence officers have now revealed that three years before the fake documents became public, human and electronic intelligence sources from a number of countries picked up repeated discussion of an illicit trade in uranium from Niger. One of the customers discussed by the traders was Iraq."
As for the Senate Intelligence Committee report.....
The Senate report says fairly bluntly that Wilson lied to the media. The panel found that, "Wilson provided misleading information to the Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on a document that had clearly been forged because 'the dates were wrong and the names were wrong.'"
The problem is Wilson "had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel discovered. Schmidt notes: "The documents — purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq — were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger."
I personally don't think Wilson is an evil man...but in spite of how themedia chooses to portray him....I do think he is an angry partisan and an opportunist.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on November 6, 2005 at 2:00 PM
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Corbin
Interesting blog and thanks for the insight
posted by
WileyJohn
on November 6, 2005 at 1:03 PM
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My question is this, what took him so long to come forward?
And how do we know it is true, because he is a retired general? No one wants to believe other generals like Gen.Tony Zinni or Gen. Shenseki or even Wesley Clark, so why believe him?
posted by
scoop
on November 6, 2005 at 9:40 AM
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Yeah, I would venture to guess this (the grand jury and such) was dredged up by people who wish to see damage done to the current Admin's reputation.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on November 6, 2005 at 9:05 AM
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Corbin
I have heard he introduced her at several coctail parites as a his CIA wife.
posted by
Justi
on November 6, 2005 at 8:32 AM
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