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televangelists
i doubt
are talking to anything
but the people's pocketbooks.
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 3, 2005 at 10:28 AM
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kooka_lives
I would be very much interested in hearing more about the “visions” of which you speak. It would be very interesting to read of them, if you were inclined to relate them on blogit. I think perhaps that we can agree that we are unable to fully define the source of these visions. But, please tell me about them.
posted by
telemachus
on November 3, 2005 at 10:08 AM
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Ody
Just hallucination alone in not really insanity. I have had some 'visions' for lack of a better word that I can not explain. it is how one deals with them that matters. If you start to believe it is God talking to you, then your mind is going to start creating whatever it is that your subconscious believe and if you start following that, then you are crazy. If you allow hallucinations and such to control you and take over your life, then you are very much insane. There really is no other way to look at it.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 3, 2005 at 9:11 AM
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kooka_lives
You cannot deny that our psyche can produce events as projections of our imagination. There is no doubt that hallucinations can seem very real. You have no way of contending that hallucinations and such things do not stem forth from another dimension. There are countless accounts of spiritual sightings, encounters, miracles, healings, and other such things for which no firm explanation can be offered.
I know that, as these things occur, people immediately start to formulate explanations for them, to use as a basis for relating the experience to others. Such explanations naturally proceed out of the realm of what we have experienced in our life up to the time of the encounter and can therefore take mythological overtures. But to conclude that all who experience such things are insane is quite ridiculous.
posted by
telemachus
on November 3, 2005 at 8:40 AM
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Ody
Yes, it is fair to say that all people who claim that God as talked to them are crazy or lying about it. It is real easy for me since I do not believe in God. Since I am positive there is no God, then only those who are crazy or are lying could possible talk to him.
I have also talked about in the past how the power of the mind often creates one's reality. They are mentally ill. They so desire to talk to God that they create God in their minds and end up believing they are talking with God. They think that somehow they are special and God has chosen them to be one who he will directly talk to.
I seriously have yet to see anyone who claims to that God has talked to them who as not been really screwed up in the head or been trying to con people. Your comment shows the great weakness of blind faith. You so wish to believe in God that you are allowing yourself to be blind and willing to believe that God talks to people and so open yourself up to the con artist, who very much take advantage of those like you, or you become accepting of the truly mentally ill who become dangerous due to their hallucinations and are allowed to follow their 'talks with God' to destructive levels where someone ends up dead. These are the patterns I see out there.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 3, 2005 at 8:16 AM
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kooka_lives - Divine encounters, such as “talking to God”,
are most often immediately dismissed, by non-religious people, as bogus. But, is it fair to say that all people who have such rapturous experiences are crazy, trying to mislead others, or lying? There are, no doubt, certain religious types that we can dismiss as bogus, like Charlie Mason, or even certain televangelists. But clearly, it would be very rash to make the statement that every religious encounter story we hear is bogus. These people are not mentally ill, but rather, participate in a very concrete and vibrant belief system, that is worth taking the time to try and understand.
posted by
telemachus
on November 3, 2005 at 4:26 AM
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kooka_lives - your last line says it all
"You really do not seem get many mentally ill atheists for some reason."......know any? I don't know one person that professes non belief that is noticeably unstable. Is that just a coincidence?
posted by
gomedome
on November 2, 2005 at 8:36 PM
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