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My Aunt..yep, she is Satan!! Really she is!!
posted by
Offy
on October 23, 2005 at 9:51 AM
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Gomedome
No, actually it's Satana. Satanette is her daughter.
Her little car is also called a Satanette. Can't miss it, it's the only car with fiery red headlights. Bit illegal, but there you are, I mean you can't expect creatures like that to be law abiding, can you?
posted by
ariel70
on October 23, 2005 at 9:31 AM
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ariel70 - I wonder what the feminine of Satan is?
Satanette?
posted by
gomedome
on October 23, 2005 at 9:23 AM
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calebs_blogger -- that's even better and of course he wastes no time on
those already in his camp. That explains why myself and all of the fairly rational people I call friends have never seen him in 5 decades. He doesn't need to waste his energy on us, we are already his pawns, every last one of us. .....you sure about that grape juice?
posted by
gomedome
on October 23, 2005 at 9:15 AM
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Gomedome
Ever seen Satan? Are you kidding? I married her! Got divorced tho' and married a really lovely human.
It's so easy isn't it, to blame that dude for all the ills that we bring on ourselve? It's about time we stopped being kids, and faced up to what we do ; without sheltering behind some external demonic presence.
Er ... do you have the latest model kevlar body armour?
posted by
ariel70
on October 23, 2005 at 5:47 AM
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Satan wastes no time and energy
on those who are already in his camp. He will expend huge amounts of energy trying undermine someone that others look up to - someone in a position of spiritual leadership in the Church. .... just my opinion... and just for the record my church uses normal, unfermented grape juice
posted by
calebs_blogger
on October 23, 2005 at 5:28 AM
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calebs_blogger - hoo boy --- been nipping at the sacremental wine again?
geez, how can people buy this stuff? So that would leave: to believe in Satan but make sure you ignore him? Here's another perspective based on 50 years of observation. Satan is a brilliant concept, testament to this fact demonstrated by so many people buying this stuff as if it is real. It's a closed loop, cleverly set up that way by the concept's authors. The catch to it is that regardless of what those around you may say, people that do not believe in this concept are completely free from it. They have however freed themselves from the concept to run into another challenge. There's no one to blame things on anymore, an individual who does not believe in Satan has to face themselves and accept responsibility for every thing they do. Satan never manifests himself to those who do not believe in him...why do you think this is so?
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 9:41 PM
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calebs
that is one of those classics i have yet to read, but thanks for bringing it to my attention. I'll have to check it out for sure.
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 9:02 PM
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Two equal and opposite errors
I know this isn't the concret evidence you're looking for but I thought of this when I read your post.
"There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The otheri is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors..."
Preface, The Screwtape Letters, C.S. Lewis - a positively wonderful book which sent chills up my spine because I found myself saying "That makes perfect sense from the devil's point of view. If I was the devil that is exactly what I would do to undermine humans."
posted by
calebs_blogger
on October 22, 2005 at 8:59 PM
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yea
I have read bits and pieces of one and it was the most bizaree and mind controlling, cult like thing I have read. Saying things like, "God doesn't want us to be happy," and "God takes all fun and enjoyable things away from us." The repetitiveness was even more rampant than in a Christain Bible, and this wasn't even translated.
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 8:26 PM
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CB_Andrews -- the 2 are not equals in their impact on society alone but
even trying to account for my own inherent prejudices I have to say that a Satanic bible is a document of even less value than a Christian bible.
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 8:21 PM
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I didn't
think it would be that hard to understand. I had a long day today, anyway, so I'm a bit scatter-brained. What about my Satanic Bible question?
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 8:19 PM
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I heard his image was seen in a bucket of KFC.
oops. that's hearsay isn't it? I guess the answer in no then.
posted by
FactorFiction
on October 22, 2005 at 8:16 PM
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CB_Andrews -- you couldn't have just said that you agreed with this part
of my comment?... "Satan on the other hand is created on paper in the book of Job and though mentioned a few other times in both the old and new testaments, there is no corroborating evidence outside of this conceptual construction."
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 8:14 PM
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so here's a question?
would you find a satanic bible just as much hoopla as a christian, catholic, morman etc...bible?
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 8:10 PM
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gome
Sorry for the confusion...what i was trying to get at was Satan is in more places than just Job, but there is limited evidence outside of all of that. Also that the evidence for Satan outside the Bible is a little less credible than that of Jesus. I wanted to pose the question of why that is, and hope that maybe someone could shine some light on the situation and enlighten us if there is very credible evidence for Satan outside the Bible.
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 8:07 PM
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CB_Andrews - the answer to the why is easy
Satan is a conceptual being derived from poorly translated words that meant a general adversary more than they refer to anything specific. It's a recurring theme amongst many religions except Christianity has added much more elaboration to it with the fallen angel story.
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 8:04 PM
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CB_Andrews -- this is the part where you lose me
You added the comment seen below after your list of places where Satan appears in the bible. What does this say to you? ..to me you are attempting to make a case for Satan being as real as Jesus Christ was. Are you now saying that you agree there is no corroboration for his existence outside of the bible?
"Satan's
exsistence is documented here, and there is corrborating evidence for Christ, so why not Satan?"
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 8:00 PM
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I was trying
to pose a new thought...why is there no evidence for Satan outside the Bible but there is for Jesus?
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 7:57 PM
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gome
I was saying Satan is metioned in more places than just Job, as you said. I was saying he was mentioned before Job. Then I went on to say there is evidence for Jesus outside the gospels, but not Satan. I was agreeing with you on that point.
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 7:52 PM
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CB_Andrews - re-read your last comment and second last comment
you are saying 2 different things.
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 7:47 PM
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gome
if you re-read your post and mine, I was simply elaborating on what you said. I followed up with, "there is corroborating evidence for Jesus but not Satan."
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 7:44 PM
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CB_Andrews -- you have gone way off the point of
this posting. Yes we can see the progression of Satan created on paper, everyone is aware of this but all evidence of his existence is anecdotal and heresay. I asked if anyone had ever seen him or heard of anyone seeing him. Scribblings in the bible may be proof of something to you but they are nothing more than scribblings to me. More paper doesn't prove the existence of a being concocted on paper but we're not going any further with this. I've just put a check mark beside your name as believing in Satan, I'm not interested in hearing why you believe this, if it is more of this type of logic.
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 7:41 PM
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Satan's
exsistence is documented here, and there is corrborating evidence for Christ, so why not Satan?
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 7:10 PM
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gome
Although Satan wasn't mentioned until Job, the serpent in Genesis was Satan. Also, Ezekiel talks about Satan.
Satan is a created being (Ez 28:13, 15)
Satan was created by God as perfect (Ez. 28:12, 15)
Satan was given great wisdom and beauty (Ez. 28:12)
His sin was evidently before the creation of man (Ez. 28:15)
His sin was that he wanted to be God (Is. 14:13-14
Satan is prideful (Is. 14:13)
His punishment is to be banned from heaven (Ez. 28:16)
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 7:08 PM
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JanesOpinion -- is the first part of your comment supposed to illustrate
how to draw a conclusion? A guy from 2,400 years ago writes a notion that no one really understands at the time, but because he is a bit of a celebrity his writing gets more air time than it should, then somehow, a few bits of it are picked up as unique and meaningfull ideas which end up influencing the early writers of the bible. If anything this tells me the opposite of what you are suggesting. An idea was implanted into human consciousness by a celebrity, then eleborated upon over the centuries. That is exactly what I believe Satan is. An extremely elaborate concept that with editing and re-shaping over time, allows those who want his existence to be real to in fact be real...to them.
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 6:49 PM
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CB_Andrews - catching up from last evening's comments
Using historical figures as an analogy does not quite work here, as all 3 that you mention were real flesh and blood human beings who's mark on history resulted in an extensive chronicle of their lives. We know, or at the very least can be fairly certain that Christ, Bonaparte and Columbus existed as real corporeal entities, with birth dates, life histories and deaths. Satan on the other hand is created on paper in the book of Job and though mentioned a few other times in both the old and new testaments, there is no corroborating evidence outside of this conceptual construction..
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 6:33 PM
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Talion -- I'm not a big scotch fan either
It must be an aquired taste, just as smoking big fat cigars must be as well. Neither, I have been able to warm up to over the years. Prior to the smoking by laws wiping such notions out, there was a scotch and cigar bar in our city. Really, no kidding. You could go there and sip the finest of scotch while gasping for air in an acrid, smoke filled room with a bunch of other Fidel Castro wannabes. (Cuban cigars are not illegal in Canada)
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 3:47 PM
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kooka_lives - the scariest part of having a "born again" in the white house
is that his beliefs have a doomsday scenario which is viewed as a glorious thing by too many people. So what is in place is a President that claims to follow a doctrine that includes armegheddon, the nuclear capability to make it happen and a legion of other deluded numbnuts supporting the idea.......anti christ or whatever, I'll sleep better when an atheist is in the white house.
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 3:42 PM
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mikebrown - Yep, I think in the case of the Exorcist the only true part was
that some little kid was acting strange and that some wacko catholic priests decided that a medieval ritual was the answer. The rest is hollywood but surprisingly, so many people buy it as true.
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 3:26 PM
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based on a true story
i hate that line, too. anything can be BASED on a true story. i could write a story about aliens abducting the crew of the titanic and base it on the actual titanic story. that would be based on a true story.
posted by
mikebrown
on October 22, 2005 at 3:22 PM
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Wasn't it Plato
who believed that the unseen world was greater, more powerful than that which was seen? So just because you cannot SEE Satan doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot.
That said, I would venture to guess we might see a bunch of little devils searching for sweet prey come October 31st.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 22, 2005 at 12:08 PM
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blanche
I asked because Marge played Blanche Dubois in a play resembling A Street Care Named Desire, the episode was called A Street Car Named Marge...
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 21, 2005 at 8:49 PM
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CB,
I used to be a Simpsons fan, kind of got tired of it, but that's a good one: A Streetcar Named Marge.
posted by
Blanche.
on October 21, 2005 at 8:46 PM
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blanche
Are you a Simpsons fan? "A Street Car Named Marge"...
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 21, 2005 at 8:43 PM
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Gomedome,
I haven't seen the Evil One himself, and I'll forgo that pleasure if I can. As for the opposing team, of which I am a card-carrying member, I like Warren Zevon's line from "Gorilla You're A Desperado" "They say that Jesus will find you wherever you go, but when he'll come lookin nobody knows, Gorilla, you're a desperado..."
posted by
Blanche.
on October 21, 2005 at 8:38 PM
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gome
I haven't seen Satan, first hand. Yet, I haven't seen Jesus first hand either. I do still believe they both exsist, though. I haven't seen Napoleon Bonaparte or Christopher Columbus either, but I still believe they exsisted. Furthermore, I will agree with you in the aspect that Satan has nothing directly to do with liquor stores or drugs. Sure, they might be a bi-product of evil or corruption, but not tools of the devil. People give Satan too much credit, which is where I think he gets all the hype and all his power.
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 21, 2005 at 8:34 PM
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Ariala
I hope so.... Then maybe I'll finally find out what the "hell" bitch-slapping means...haha
posted by
Lensman
on October 21, 2005 at 8:24 PM
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I dont believe in satan. I beleive that there is inherent good and evil in each and everyone of us.
posted by
gracefulwitch1
on October 21, 2005 at 8:21 PM
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One morning....
I saw him staring up at me from the depths of my cup of tea
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on October 21, 2005 at 10:32 AM
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gomedome
Liquor stores don't count? But where I'm from, there's a liquor store on every corner, across the street from the church. Such symmetry has to prove something. Besides, have you ever drank scotch? There's got to be something satanic behind such a vile concoction.
posted by
Talion
on October 21, 2005 at 10:27 AM
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I'd like to leave a note to this post, but then I wouldn't like to do it.
Satan is a recent name for it. Older names which do not refer to concept of "anti-" exist. If you limit yourself to the bible you'will only know Satan.
posted by
Luxbring
on October 21, 2005 at 10:21 AM
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Lensman, Pillsbury Do-boy's evil, illegitimate cousin? hahahahahaha
Wonder if you'd get bitch-slapped for putting your finger into his belly?
posted by
Ariala
on October 21, 2005 at 10:17 AM
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Gome
I have no idea, but my logical side suggests that first came the dark side of human nature and then came the icon that represents it. (A black rose by any other name....) We humans always seem to need icons. That one on your blog page is good enough for me...ha....makes me think of the Pillsbury Do-boy's evil, illegitimate cousin...
posted by
Lensman
on October 21, 2005 at 10:12 AM
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Blackcat, ROFL
posted by
Ariala
on October 21, 2005 at 10:00 AM
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I think I saw satan once... they used to blog here and post in large
purple font.... LOL
posted by
-blackcat
on October 21, 2005 at 9:59 AM
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Well, last I heard I was a "demon" and the spawn of Satan to lure innocent
men in...no need to look further than me.
posted by
Ariala
on October 21, 2005 at 9:51 AM
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Well
You already mentioned Britney.
As far as I can figure the best proof of Satan is Bush. After all I am positive he is the anti-Christ and I don't even believe in the anti-Christ. So that has got to say something. He is still very much fulfilling the Revelations' prophecies. He has come, claiming to be Christ and a good deal of people have fallen for it and are following him as if he was Christ, and yet all he has done is created war and poverty. So that is the best proof I can find.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 21, 2005 at 9:19 AM
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