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its always been this way
if it weren't for unions and a groundswell of labor-oriented legislation from Teddy Roosevelt throgh LBJ, we would still have people working 12 hrs a day, for about 25 cents a day, from age 8 to age 80 -- no social secuirty or pension plans or anything -- just obscene amounts of money lining the pockets of the big corporations
you read you rhistory
he who has not learned from the mistakes of the past is bound to repeat them. and that's what's happening now.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 24, 2005 at 11:05 AM
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good post
kooka, although, i think with anyone in power big business will always run this country. there really is no such thing as a fair wage, you are correct.
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 23, 2005 at 7:56 PM
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Corbin
I have no problem at all with those who are successful. I applaud true, hard earned success of those who have worked for it Of course those running Wal-Mart right now did not earn it and are the problem, as well as those like them. Success itself can be good or bad, it is how one is responsible with that success that matters, and having worked at Wal-Mart and seeing first hand the games the company plays and how irresponsible they are towards their employees I can honestly say they are bringing the economy down and causing a whole to of harm that they could avoid if they decided to be responsible.
Tomorrow I will write a post on that so that you and other conservatives who are very much clueless can learn what the real problem is and why Big Business is destroying our country through the ideas you seem to be defending. The truth is that companies like Wal-Mart stand to gain by raising the pay of their employees and doing all they can to give them fair wages, but instead or doing just the opposite, which is causing the recession we are still trapped in right now.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 23, 2005 at 7:28 PM
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It's always the fault of "Big Business".
"Right now as I am looking for a job I am very much aware of the same facts I was aware of a year ago. One of the biggest problems I am having in getting a new job is that I am asking to be paid what I am worth and no one wishes to pay that."
I always felt that way when I was younger.......after years of realizing "my eyes were bigger than my belly"......I concluded that I should go into business for myself. Now I truly get paid what I'm worth....because it's all up to me.
I despise Wal-mat, too.......but not for the envy-prompted fact that they are successful. Besides being the most tacky place to shop......They were a major part in destroying small town America. But had it not been Wal-Mart...it would have been a Mega-Mart or a Humongous-Mart.
As a nation we are evolving.....we went from Buggy whips to automobiles.....became a industrial powerhouse,,,,now we are evolving to a service oriented economy...as a people we have to adapt to the situation.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on October 22, 2005 at 4:54 AM
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good post!
Yeah, there's so many fishy employers out there... Big Business should learn that it is in there interest that they pay people well because then they will be able to buy more, which will stimulate the economy overall.
posted by
Trevor_Cunnington
on October 20, 2005 at 3:55 PM
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I Have a Post...
...up right now in "Making Free Marketeers Angry" that gives you a link to a petition to Wal-Mart to allow unions into their stores. That might be a start but, predicatbly, they're fighting it with every dirty trick in the book.
Meanwhile, from way back at the beginning of that blog...
"In 1982, the earnings gap between chief execs and their employees was an eye-popping 42:1 in the 365 largest firms that account for the bulk of retirement plan assets. That divide was already twice the maximum pay disparity advised by management guru Peter Drucker and even by J.P. Morgan, no stranger to greed. Both insist that 20:1 is the widest workable gap between managers and managed. Pension trustees figured otherwise. By 2000, their investments had converted that gap to a 531:1 chasm, according to an annual Business Week survey. Standard & Poor’s 500 blue-chip firms paid their top managers an average $20 million each in 2000. In a bad year, the 20 top-paid execs took home an average $117.6 million, up $5 million from the year before.
"In 1975, when a national pension reform bill was signed into law and these tax-favored funds began to swell (total assets were then less than $800 billion), General Electric paid its CEO a princely $500,000 per year, a salary then equal to the combined earnings of three dozen typical Americans. By 2000, GE was paying Jack Welch 3,428 times that benchmark amount. While median income stagnated since 1975, Welch’s pay soared 289 times to $144.5 million. In retirement, Welch not only received a larger book advance than the pope, he also consults for GE at a daily rate of $17,000."
That should give some indication of where all the wealth is going.
Note that line - While median income stagnated since 1975...
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posted by
DamonLeigh
on October 20, 2005 at 10:40 AM
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billy
There is a truth to that. We are all aware to some level just what Big Business is doing, yet we really can not escape the fact that due to what they have become it is hard to not shop them. We really can not afford not to. I admit I do shop Wal-Mart still as well as eat at McDonalds.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 20, 2005 at 9:33 AM
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Kooka, great point about corporations screwing themselvesout of a job...
I only wish it didn't take Americans doing without to make it happen. Anyone who continues to buy eat McDonalds, buy Hollywood produced movies on DVD, shop at Wal-Mart or Best Buy...awe shsush as the cowboy in Big Lebowski would say. I'm a walking talking hypocrit.
Yesterday for sheer convenience I had a cheesburger and small fries from McDonalds (<$4) and this past summer I bought a Fridge, washer, dryer, and microwave at Best Buy. I'll be the first to say its hard not to indulge the bastards, even as we're calling them bastards.
posted by
FreeManWalking
on October 20, 2005 at 7:27 AM
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Hi Kooka
Here's a documentary you may want to check out. I heard about it while listening to an interview of the filmmaker on NPR.
http://www.walmartmovie.com/
Walmart is getting away with a lot. They are big donors to local and national politicians. They are forcing out mom and pop shops and the way they are doing it isn't by fighting fair. They get huge tax subsidies due to their coziness with the political machine. The mom and pop shops can't compete. Not just because they believe in paying their workers fair wages, but also because they don't get the same tax breaks that Walmart is getting.
They also are encouraging their employees to go on welfare. How's that for Corporate Welfare. Walmart gets a tax break which robs our country of tax dollars and they pay so little their employees have to go on welfare. Double Whammy! This is just one more example of our corrupt government. Sorry to hear you're affected by this.
posted by
DebbieDowner
on October 19, 2005 at 9:15 PM
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Kooka,
I gotta agree with you. The greedy oil baron in Washington started the whole downward ball rolling when he said before he even got into office that we were going into a recession. He predicted it and then, when he got into office, he made damn sure it happened, first with the gas prices rising on a daily basis.
posted by
RAME
on October 19, 2005 at 2:03 PM
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