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NOPEACE
Don't totally dispell science. After all, it had to come from somewhere. There is a science to things...I mean water and land and continental drift, they might be part of God's plan, yet they might be some stuff God just let happen. Get what I'm saying? I guess if God let them happen, it'd become part of His plan. Think of a nice Christain girl. Let's say she loses touch with God and parties and drinks and does drugs and gets pregnant...something to that effect. God's plan? Hardly. Yet God is so smart and so infinite, if she comes back to Him, He can turn it all around, thus making it His plan.
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 22, 2005 at 8:17 PM
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mikebrown -- thank you -- I think I'm laughing at the same comments
that you are laughing at. If you dig a bit further you will find the "Science yeah right guy" telling us about Darwin's Big Bang Theory. Hey they only need a credit card and a pulse to join Blogit ...no one said anything about smarts.
posted by
gomedome
on October 22, 2005 at 8:07 PM
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"science, yeah right"
wow.
i repeat.
wow.
i could go off on a 100 different essays on what i think about organized religions (especially those very precious monotheistic ones) and why i choose not to partake in them...but i'm sure i wouldn't be telling you anything that you don't already know.
so let me just suffice it to say that i completely agree with your post, and i think you are doing a great job.
posted by
mikebrown
on October 22, 2005 at 7:59 PM
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NOPEACE -- you put a lot of effort into writing meaningless comments
I didn't answer your question about the water because this isn't a grade 7 science class. There are a number of factors at work holding back the water but elevation is the primary one....duh. It really is a stupid question and a sad means of proving a point. It is logic by simplistic extension and extreme bias to use such a primitive example as proof of the existence of a supreme being. As for being a member of an expansionist religion; don't try to tell us that you are not a proponent of selling your Jesus version of Chrisitanity. It drips from every moronic word you put to print.
posted by
gomedome
on October 20, 2005 at 6:22 AM
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Gomedome,
By the way, you mentioned I'm a recruiter of an expanionist religion. Can you cut and paste and show me where I have asked anyone to become a christian or join my religion?
Whose REALLY floating the BS?
I love it however when an atheist such as yourself lean so much on science to explain creation and the way the earth works but can't answer the simplist questions, I find that quite hilarious.
I shall now close this comment just as I have closed every other comment and statement I've made by NOT extending an offer to anyone to become a christian. Boy, I wonder if they are going to kick me out of the religion if I don't make my quota this month. LOL
posted by
NOPEACE
on October 20, 2005 at 4:43 AM
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GomeDome,
Is your response to me a unmentioned admission that Science CANNOT explain how since 3/4's of the Earth is water, what stops the waters of the ocean from over taking land when the waves of the tide come crushing on to land? What makes the water rescind back into the ocean?
I've asked you this question several times and you have yet to give me a scientific answer to explain it. God asked Job this same question and just as YOU, he couldnt answer it either.
Again I say: Science? Yeah right.
By the way, what created the matter in the Big Bang theory for this hyper expanding universe theory?
posted by
NOPEACE
on October 20, 2005 at 4:37 AM
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Dylan_Valente -- proving that religion is false is easy but I assume you
meant to address the existence of God. ....the pitfalls of railing against a perceived intolerance are exactly the fear of becoming as intolerant. I can only hope I recognize the line when I cross it.
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 7:07 PM
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Gomedome, very well-written post...
I took note of the debate between Golden Mean and you, but refrained from getting involved. I enjoyed being just an observer.
Now I will weigh in. I think you risk conveying the same kind of intolerance you attribute to believers. When I write "intolerance" I don't mean to condemn intolerance of bad ideas, like bigotry or black magic. I mean intolerance of ideas that cannot be shown to be false. As long as a person's ideas and actions aren't threatening me, and as long as the person's ideas cannot be disproven, I have to tolerate them.
Unless you want to take a stab at providing proof that religion is false? 
posted by
Dyl_Pickle
on October 19, 2005 at 6:47 PM
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CB_Andrews -- you are simply writing in assumptions
Life an accident?
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 6:46 PM
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Thanks once again for the saracsm I have come to know, love, and expect. So, what is your point? You always try to strive for a higher goal. You press onward, live life. Life should be lived day to day and moment to moment, but that doesn't mean life should be treated like an accident, like we're not supposed to be here. If we aren't supposed to be here, then why should we even live. We could just kill ourselves...since after all we have nothing to live for.
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 19, 2005 at 6:21 PM
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CB_Andrews -- you almost get a cigar for that one -- but not quite
That is the exact question this post implies. You picked up on an implied subtlety or underlying premise...
.....I'll alert the media
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 6:12 PM
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Sunnybeach7 -- I certainly see something wrong with that picture
and to add further insult to such a life, as you articulately describe as meaningless, we have a legion of automotons out promoting it as a viable way to spend our limited existences.
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 6:09 PM
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gome
"What I have is a quest, a lifelong evolution of thought that may never allow me to get where I want to be but will nonetheless allow the challenge and inherent sense of accomplishment from simply continuing in the journey." Have you ever thought that there are believers who think this way too?
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 19, 2005 at 6:08 PM
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Jomei --- yes... it is rather funny
I keep hoping against reality that people will collectively have a revelation much as they did when we all stopped wearing bell bottoms. In unison everyone in the world looked down at their lower pant legs and said "what the hell are we doing?"
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 6:04 PM
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Pat_B - good point, like yeah, when has ignorance ever stopped us?
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 6:00 PM
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I think it's truely interesting
that some can spend so much time revolving their lives around things and conforming to specific rules because they think it's gonna somehow affect the outcome when they die.
If there is a "God" as depicted in the Bible, what is the point? What is the point of even having life? What's the point of creating life, creating everything so you can say "Well here's life and everything to experience, but....you're not allowed to experience it, you have to spend your time this way and abiding by my rules, so that one day you may die and continue to experience life in this manner, serving me"?
Anyone else see something wrong with that picture?
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on October 19, 2005 at 5:04 PM
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nice post. I like what you said about the preoccupation with
the afterlife instead of the here and now - its all about tomorrow and not today but tomorrow never comes! Rather funny really
posted by
Jomei
on October 19, 2005 at 4:44 PM
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since when has ignorance prevented us
from having an opinion, and pushing it on anyone within earshot? I've had a college education, and would be first to admit that I'm woefully ignorant about what makes the universe tick (and tic). But that doesn't stop me from reasoning and thinking about it and when I read scientists and theologeans and philosophers, weighing their arguments and coming to a conclusion. After reading your blog, it seems to me that you've got some valid points -- especially the irritation caused by evangelistic religious types. Thanks for the interesting read.
posted by
Pat_B
on October 19, 2005 at 3:55 PM
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Flight, Gomedome et al
Doesn't anyone ever think that it's arrogance on a cosmic scale for us humans, with our puny brain power to sound off about how the universe and life was created?
We can't even comprehend a journey of a few miles in it's entirety ; nor a life of a few years, so who are we to make judgements on a universe that might always have existed; that might occupy infinite space ; that might embody an infinite number of life forms ; might even be but one of an infinite number of universes?
Bit of a cheek to say God made it, or The Big Bang made it, isn't it?
posted by
ariel70
on October 19, 2005 at 2:48 PM
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editormum -- there is no one specific group that annoys me more than others
if dealing with people pushing their religion. No one seems to be wising up, as we sink further into divisions within the world community, people are pushing the very thing that got us into this mess, in religion, as the asnwer.
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 2:42 PM
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note to Ariel70 - LOVE your comment !! So true - none of this is etched in stone. We're curious - unafraid to explore.
posted by
reasons
on October 19, 2005 at 2:40 PM
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ariel70 - that's another good point as well ....
but try telling the bible thumping loonies that.
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 2:39 PM
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DamonLeigh -- It wouldn't take much to wipe us out either
if we don't do it ourselves, some new strain of virus or inbound spacial rock will spare us the trouble.
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 2:38 PM
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Gomedome
I know that we're a curious species ( in more ways than one, as witness Blogit!) but why on earth don't we all just enjoy the beauty, the power, and the mystery of the universe, and not care how the hell it was created?
posted by
ariel70
on October 19, 2005 at 2:38 PM
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ariel70 - absolutely -- in a past post I mentioned how I felt the Big Bang
theory was inadequate. There is no good explanation as to our origins. I happen to find creationism the most pathetic of all of our attempts to explain it however.
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 2:35 PM
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Same thing applies. Many scientists today - (those willing to reconsider) ...agree - looking at creation in a whole new light.
posted by
reasons
on October 19, 2005 at 2:35 PM
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Flight, Gomedome et al
To someone in the world
every theory of the creation of the universe, and the life within it is ridiculous
posted by
ariel70
on October 19, 2005 at 2:32 PM
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NOPEACE -- save it - it's bullshit, you have been duped into being an
unwitted recruiter for an expansionist religion. Not to mention again totally missing the point of this post. Your religious gobbly gook has had 2,000 years to work but never has. Still people like yourself go out and try to push it on others as if it is some new answer. It's your delusion buddy, not mine.
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 2:32 PM
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FLIGHTPATH -- you are absolutely correct, it is almost as ridiculous as...
referring to the Big Bang Theory as an "explosion" if that is what in fact you were referring to. "Big Bang" is a misnomer. The theory should be called the "perpetual expansion from hyper-condensed matter theory" which is quite different from an "explosion".
posted by
gomedome
on October 19, 2005 at 2:25 PM
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The idea that life on earth was created by an explosion, is as ridiculous as the notion that the alphabet was created by an explosion in a printing shop.
posted by
reasons
on October 19, 2005 at 2:16 PM
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Xeno
I left a comment on Ariala's blog that will interest you
posted by
ariel70
on October 19, 2005 at 1:14 PM
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Gomedome,
The joy of Jesus is to share the experience that you have with others. Just as if you won tickets to the super bowl your first instinct may be to go out and tell a friend because you are excited. Or based off your logic, maybe you would just keep it to yourself when you get excited about something.
There's nothing wrong with sharing something that you are excited about with others. My question to you is, whenever someone started to tell you about Jesus, as rude as it may sound, have you ever came out and just said "I don't want to hear about Jesus." Have you ever said that? If so, then I'll agree, it's pushy to continue to tell you about it if you don't wanna here it.
Why dont' you believe in God? You keep mentioning Science but have yet to answer my question with a scientific answer.
If the world is 3/4's water, what stops the waves and water of the Ocean from overtaking the land when the tides roll in? How does science explain that?
posted by
NOPEACE
on October 19, 2005 at 1:10 PM
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yeah it's odd
that they always want you to "know Jesus".
isn't it?
there'
s a commercial on local TV where the guy basically says "Jesus is the answer." and such like.
"If you're down, try Jesus."
etc.
life is a whole lot more complicated than that.
we ought to "be Jesus" - that is, act in a particlar manner toward others so that they feel good about being around us --
their thrust is a limited, selfish, one -- a column -- them at the bottom and Jesus at the top. Nobody else involved.
the world doesn't work that way.
it's a sphere, with those we encounter at the center of it with us.
whatever we, however we move, affects those in immediate proximity to us.
the "Jesus Philosophy" wants to insulate us from that.
to quote the parrots from Aldous Huxley's ISLAND, "Here and now, boys, here and now!"
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 19, 2005 at 9:09 AM
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A Friend...
...of mine thinks that the human race is just another failed evolutionary experiment - soon to become a dead end, just like the dinosaurs.
The dinosaurs were not known for their vast intellect, and those poor suckers were wiped out by forces they had no control over.
We, on the other hand, pride ourselves on our technological prowess and intellectual brilliance, and yet we'll be fully responsible for ending our own tenure on this planet.
Too darned cleaver for our own good - literally!
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on October 19, 2005 at 8:59 AM
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Hey, Gomey....
we go way back, you and me. I'm trying to understand. You know me. I'm a Christian. Is it all of us that get you mad? Or just the pushy evangelicals who won't leave you alone?
Some of us can be a little rude, I admit. Some of us take the "go ye therefore and teach all nations" thing and get a little obnoxious with it. I understand your frustration with that.
But I hope you don't paint us all with the same brush?
posted by
editormum
on October 19, 2005 at 8:49 AM
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