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NOPEACE -- I just had to add this part --- a quote from your comment
".....Also, the bible says, "You WIVES will submit to your HUSBANDS as you do to the Lord."
Buy yourself a blow up doll buddy, because that's as close to a real woman as you will ever get if you believe those words.
posted by
gomedome
on October 6, 2005 at 6:04 PM
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NOPEACE --- Where did you get that version of your bible passage?
Did you make it up yourself? Considering that it took you a full week to figure out how to use the "Caps Lock" button on your keyboard are you sure you want to take me on?
Here's the passage again without your own self serving editing and with a professional linguists opinion on where the errors in translation occurred.
Against the Laws of Nature - Romans 1:26
"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural (physin) relations for unnatural (para physin) ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural (physin) relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another." (Romans 1:26)
In the preceding passage the Greek words physin and paraphysin have been translated to mean natural and unnatural respectively. Contrary to popular belief, the word paraphysin does not mean "to go against the laws of nature", but rather implies action which is uncharacteristic for that person. An example of the word paraphysin is used in Romans 11:24, where God acts in an uncharacteristic (paraphysin) way to accept the Gentiles. When the scripture is understood correctly, it seems to imply that it would be unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals.
Of course you may not be smart enough to even recognize where you have contradicted yourself. No one is contending that the prohibitions as described in Leviticus where not the laws of the time but they are certainly not the laws of today. If you have had a haircut in your life or have broken any of the other prohibitions as everyone on this planet most certainly has, where do you get off trying to use one select passage to support your hate filled agenda?
posted by
gomedome
on October 6, 2005 at 5:08 PM
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NOPEACE
Do you go to church on sundays? Because according to the Bible it is a great sin to go to church on Sundays (Or whatever day you pick for your sabbath). God made it very clear that one, people should avoid gatherings such as a church and that people do not do anything at all on the Sabbath outside of relaxing in their homes. But I have yet to hear any believers go off about how going to church is a sin. If anything they try to claim the opposite, that those who do not go to church are the sinners, yet where in the Bible does it say people need to go to church? As I pointed out, if anything the Bible it self is against the idea of going to church, especially on the Sabbath.
I have yet to find one single believer who does not pick and choose as they please from the Bible. The truth is that it is not the Bible that they follow, but the Bible that they use to back up that which they choose to follow. You wish to have a justified hatred towards homosexuals and so will use the Bible to defend such blind hate. It matter not what facts are presented or what logic is used, you want to be bale to cling to this blind hate of yours. I will never understand why so many believers who claim to be loving and such find some many things to hate blindly.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 6, 2005 at 2:32 PM
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gomedome
you've got a regular circus here!
posted by
avant-garde
on October 6, 2005 at 2:28 PM
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NOPEACE...
If you remember that you shouldn't cast your pearls before swine, I'll remember that I shouldn't respond to a talking ass.
DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on October 6, 2005 at 2:13 PM
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NOPEACE
Many of us have addressed this issue.
We all have contended that the Leviticus passages -- either the entire book or Leviticus is valid, or none of it is. One simply cannot choose an isolated passage and give it validity while not giving the rest of these laws equal validity. Period. So if you eat pork, then the proscription against homosexuality is invalid to you.
The homosexuality of the First Century (that was seen) was certainly abusive. That is why Paul and others were against it. However, what we see today is no different really from heterosexuality.
The one passage in Thessalonians refers to being abusive, or allowing someone to abuse you (KJV says "effeminate" -- that can be true, though, of any type of sexual relationship -- a woman should not consent to abusive treatment by a man -- is that not right?
And the passage about men leaving the "natural" way -- that "natural" realy means basically "as beasts do" -- that is, sex in a beastly sense -- just like the animals; thus, we have approval of downright animal-like sex -- between humans, of course.
up for grabs here is whether, as you infer, the Bible is literally the Word of God, and all of it is absolutely true. So we come down on different sides of the fence. On one side are those who believe in the literalcy of the Bible; and on the other are the varying degrees of belief in the BIble's validity. ON this side, people feel that humans wrote the tome, and human fallibility can be seen, not in all the Bible, but in many passages.
If we ascribe human ideas to the Bible, then we cannot ascribe infallibility -- no Eternal Truths (or a very few). Things like "a woman sould pray with her head covered" which is disputed among Christians, or "women should keep silence in the churches".
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 6, 2005 at 2:08 PM
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DM, it's as if you havent read any of mine.
I guess ignorance is bliss.
posted by
NOPEACE
on October 6, 2005 at 2:06 PM
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Gomedome...
How do you avoid getting a headache from the absurd comments such as the one below? It's as though NOPEACE didn't even read your post at all.
I admire your stamina!
DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on October 6, 2005 at 1:57 PM
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There is only one word I could really use to describe this and that is BULL. If a person believes in God and believes that the Bible as it was written by the original authors is true, no matter what time period it is now, the words in the Bible are still true. Here's why. The original authors of the Bible wrote the respectives books in the bible because each and every word they wrote was inspired by the spirit of God. So if he inspired those men to write the words as he wanted them written back then, how would he not inspire men to keep his same meaning of his word during translation. The entire purpose of the Bible is to spread the Gospel throughout the entire world. I find it completely human and ingonorant arrogance to suggest that today man could manipulate the written word of God to fit his own beliefs. If man could do that, God would not be All Powerful and no true believer of God would think that he is not All Powerful.
Also, in Leviticus those different laws that seem so crazy now a days were in fact the laws back then. When Jesus came, that started the new testament which overruled the law of moses (Since he was the Son of God). You stated that "The male was deemed superior to the female, while the church held that sex itself could only be allowed for procreation." That's a false statement and here's why: "Sex is God's gift to married people." (Proverbs 5:15-21) "Sex in marriage is honorable and pure." (Hebrews 13:4). Also, the bible says, "You WIVES will submit to your HUSBANDS as you do to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22) Wife is what we call married WOMEN and husband is what we call married MEN. Which means even in the NEW TESTAMENT homosexuality is wrong. And if you need new testament bibilical statements to back that up,
"God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved." (Romans 1:26-27).
Know what you're talking about before you start supporting sin with the word of God.
posted by
NOPEACE
on October 6, 2005 at 1:51 PM
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