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I read the whole post. The whole hate filed post, obviously put together by someone who is so insecure that all she can do to make her self feel better is try to figure out how ot make sure she is putting down a group that she disagrees with in a childish attempt to feel superior.
No, you did not really compare hetros to homos any where in that post. Sexual promiscuity is really out of control, and would be willing to bet the homosexuals do not have a monopoly on it. Also in your total ignorance fail to see that the idea of homosexual couples are becoming more and more popular as they get more accepted and so the statistics about the longevity of such are meaningless because they are not as of yet regular. It would be like trying to base the popularity of the Internet purely off of the first year it was around. You do not wish to give the numbers a chance to prove you wrong.
I tell you what, let's legalize homosexual marriage and start trying to promote the idea of homosexual being acceptable as couples and give it twenty years and see how those numbers hold up. That really is the only way you could prove me wrong. Until homosexuals are given the chance you can prove nothing at all. Of course that idea must scare you. The idea that you could be wrong at that is given the chance most likely homosexuals would end up with about the same statistics as heterosexuals. But since the ignorant such as you are never going to be willing to give them that chance, it will be awhile until society grows up enough to allow true freedom and give people their rights.
Here in the Denver area we have a high percent of homosexuals, so I am very much are of them myself. I know for fact we are well above the national average. So according to that I must have more direct knowledge about them than you do. So your actual point there is as weak as it gets.
If you would have really read my post you would see that the only reason homosexuality is the way it is because of the truly ignorant such as you who do all they can to keep it that way and not promote higher ideals for it.
You are a scared child who is unable to allow people their freedom and rights, just because she does not agree with them. You most likely were the kind of kid who in school would call a girl a slut, when she was not really, but because of the names she would fall into the pattern and become one and then you would stand up and somehow feel proud that you were able to bring her down to the level where she became what you decided she should be. I have seen such mentality and it sick and destructive. You need to grow up and if not act like a good adult, then at least try to follow your own beliefs and act like a good Christians, because I can promise you that the ideas of Christianity you claim to follow do NOT promote the kind of hate you are trying to spread.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 5, 2005 at 7:16 PM
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Kooka, you obviously did not read the whole damn post of mine,
as well as the hoards of secular, well founded research included. Heck, a couple statistics came directly from gay sources. Not only that but I DID compare hetero to homo behavior. Hello. Are we blind here? NO, you're not blind, but you've got an agenda and you refuse to look at it any other way. Your mind is made up, you're closed to any other possibilities.
Like I said in my title, I'm not sure why I bother arguing about this stuff. Your measly little "case studies," mentioning the people you know, the perfect homosexual couples, next to these well conducted studies by the likes of sociologists from the University of Chicago. Yeah, sure, whatever you say is correct, in spite of what the results of over 50 studies show. You bet, Kooka, I will post haste toss all of the research away and bow down to your little stories about how all your homosexual friends the just PROVE you're right. Sure. Fine. Speaking of narrow mindedness.
The fact is, YOU don't live in San Francisco, and I don't live in New York City or Chicago, and WE don't see the heart of the gay lifestyle on a daily basis. The heart of the lifestyle is not about monogamy (which, if you REALLY READ my post would know that on average only 25% of gay couples are monogamous in one year), it's about sex.
And if you'd really read my article, you would have seen that even in countries where it's been legal, homosexuals still aren't interested in marriage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why? Too much commitment, too much monogamy. You're seeing pigs fly if you think that by allowing marriage we'll see a decline in STDs.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 5, 2005 at 6:52 PM
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Kooka
Great post. I for one am against gay marriage. Why? Because I'm gay and I don't want my boyfriend to divorce me and take 1/2 of everything. (just playing)
Your points are right on. I do believe given the ability to have a recognized marriage in our society that the esteem of the gay community would be raised tremendously. I am overwhelmed to see the changes in attitudes in my lifetime considering just about 25 years ago I was contemplating suicide due to my problems coping with my sexuality. I truly know that gay is not a choice as I wanted nothing more than to be straight at that time.
Thank you for your support.
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DebbieDowner
on October 5, 2005 at 12:54 PM
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gomedome
Good point.
In fact I have known a good deal of couples who have had open marriages, yet I have not known a serious gay couple who have had an open relationship. In general it seems that when a gay couple wishes to get serious they are more likely going to try for a real relationship than a heterosexual couple will. For one thing the homosexuals have to fight harder for their relationship to be acceptable and so it becomes a stronger bond.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 5, 2005 at 8:02 AM
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Hello ---
Where did the likelyhood of gay monogamy become a legitimate issue in denying them marriage rights? It's for better or worse. Marriage today has become a best effort basis agreement in practice, despite the vows, with it's standards lowered entirely by the heterosexual community. Now someone wants to introduce the likelyhood of marriage success as a criteria for extending marriage rights to gays? Aside from being a pathetic smokescreen, where do people get off in asking others to live to a higher standard than they do?
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gomedome
on October 5, 2005 at 7:52 AM
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janesopinion
is uninformed
and i would dare say that the reference there is also-, probably coming from a narrow point of view.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 5, 2005 at 7:29 AM
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Janes
That was as ignorant as it gets and you so missed the point of the whole post. You are a childish person doing all in power to keep people down just because you disagree with their lifestyle. You are sad, sad ,sad ,sad.
One thing your numbers does not compare is homosexual relationships vs. heterosexual relationships. All in all relationships move fast now days. A lot of people do not have a serious relationships last for than a year or so (Homo or Hetro) and then move on. I have known many, many people who go through heterosexual partners much faster than you can imagine.
You do not provide anything that would say Gays do not have monogamous relationships. There is nothing in your post to suggest homosexuals would not become monogamous if society promote such ideas as being valued abel to the homosexual community, just that a minority of them (And 15.7%, 48%, 28% and 24% are minority) seem to go over board. Of course this attitude is actually due more to the ideas presented in my post here than anything else. Although you are also dealing with a group of all men, and men generally have a natural desire to have multiply partners. Two people of the like mindset on sex would naturally be more likely to become sexually active quickly. A heterosexual man would have just as many partners is he could find as many women willing to be that active, it is just most women are not that willing, although I have known a few women who most likely have had around a 1000 sex partners in their short lives. By being being childish, people like you promote the idea that homosexuals should act that way and as I said in my post, when you tell a person they are a certain way over and over again they may start to believe it. By encouraging homosexual marriage (Which once more you did nothing in you post to show any logic as to it not being a good thing) you will create more monogamous relationships in the gay community. For one thing all your statistics about gay marriage is based on the men. I would be very interested in seeing what the numbers are for lesbians couples.
The problem is not the homosexuals themselves, which you in your ignorance really wish to believe. It is the ignorant attitude being promoted by those such as you who only wish to spread hate and intolerance. By encouraging homosexual marriage and the idea that homosexuals can have lasting relationships, such hating will start to become more accepted in the homosexual community.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 5, 2005 at 7:27 AM
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This is a load of hogwash!
If there was gay marriage, they would not be faithful to their marriage vows. You obviously did not read my blog along with all the bazillion stats I offered (which, by the way, were from secular sources). Gays are NOT monogamous!
http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/JanesOpinions/
I dare you to read this through, and then tell me if you think this will decrease the number of sexually transmitted diseases amongst gays -- if marriage was allowed.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 5, 2005 at 4:30 AM
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