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kooka
I'm sorry you were picked on in school and what not, but that is going to prove my point. It is only the ones in the spotlight who get bashed. You apparently had something about you other kids saw as "different." Gays are different...I think we can all agree on that...which is why they get so much ridicule and hype. By the same token, religious leaders and evangelists on TV do not represent all Christains. They are in the spotlight, so they get the attention. In fact, I am appalled at some of the actions of these people, and it hurts to know they believe in the same thing yet get it so backward. So know that they represent a small percentage of Christains, not the majority.
posted by
CB_Andrews
on October 4, 2005 at 8:17 PM
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Janes
The reason some homosexuals might hate themselves for being who they are is because of people like you who tell them they need to hate themselves. it is the hate being promoted towards them through the blind ignorance that makes them feel bad about who they are and creates the issues. Your attitude is the real problem. Having been picked on greatly as a child in school I very much understand how the negative comments made towards someone create the ideas of self hate and suicidal thinking. if you tell someone they are bad or worthless or evil and keep on telling them such, they may come to believe it, especially if enough people are doing it. I had a whole class of kids laughing at and picking on me one day as the substitute teacher was unable to gain control of them, and my self worth got about as low as it gets. You and others like you are those school kids picking on the gays in a very childish manner and then trying to claim it is not your fault for any self esteem problems they might have. You are just children picking on others to make yourself feel better and then trying to pretend you had nothing to do with the emotional issue they then face because of it.
That is just sad, very sad. You really should be ashamed of yourself. But most likely you are proud that you act so childish.
And no, there are not many who have a had over 1,000 sexual partners. In fact it is getting rarer all the time as the idea of homosexual couples get more and more acceptance. Why? Because if they see the benefit of a monogamous relationship. Like most people there is a need to find companionship. You actual idea there defend the idea of gay marriage because it will fix some of those problems. Homosexuals in relationships do not sleep around as much as ones who are not in relationships. You logic is greatly flawed and mostly based on misinformation and propaganda. It will be less destructive to society as a whole to allow Gay Marriages.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 4, 2005 at 8:01 PM
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kooka_lives -- right on and I can say that I completely agree with the
sentiment. I thought some of my comments where humourous as well. Some of these overzealous religious types just don't seem to understand the basic principles of human rights and compassion for others, yet they all claim to be spreading a message of love......It is comedy of the highest order.
posted by
gomedome
on October 4, 2005 at 7:55 PM
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nopeace
No when you wrote that, you did break out in laughter right? I read it and could not help but laugh, so I figured whoever wrote it had to be laughing the whole time.
"I WONDER HOW BOLD THOSE STATEMENTS WILL BE MADE IN THE FACE OF GOD DURING THE TIME OF THE JUDGEMENT."
That is just comic genius there. I am not really sure what makes that so funny, but I am laughing. I mean really, the irony of trying to claim that the gay bashing believers here are going to be able to face God and not look like hypocrites in his eyes and the people who defend the idea of human rights are going to be for some reason punished by God. Come on, everyone should see the joke that such a end line has to be after what you had said.
If the end times do come and there is a God and I have to face his judgement, I personally know that I have lived a very positive life and have been true to my values and myself and to defending the idea of the value of the individual and their rights to live life as they choose. If God does not see the worthiness of this, then he is not a loving God and does not truly care about what is right. I am honest and caring and I shall never claim someone is evil for living life they way they feel they have to.
If your God rewards the hypocritical idea of the Christian GAy bashers above the true values of defending individual rights and freedom, then your God is a sad, pathetic God who does not deserve the worship of anyone. If there really is a God , I can only hope that it is not what you believe it to be.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 4, 2005 at 7:47 PM
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JanesOpinion -- I don't expect a balanced perspective from you on this and
I must say that you didn't dissapoint me. There is no credible professional endorsement of a person anywhere on this planet having ever changed their sexual orientation as a result of therapy. Certainly there are a very small percentage who have managed to modify their behaviour and lead what are by all observations happy lives but the trail of human wreckage left by those who fail, is hardly worth the cost simply to satiate the beliefs of others. Which is really what it is all about. Sure, there are some believing gay folk that have trouble with reconciling their own beliefs with their actions but mostly it is about peer, community and family pressure.
I could even buy into the therapy doing some good if two elements were present in society. They would be the unconditional acceptance of a person's sexual orientation by all members of society and the offer of therapy being completely benigh as opposed to promoted......but what do our wunnerful wunnerful proponents of this incredibaly damaging and very unscientific therapy do? Well they create an enviroment where an individual cannot help but feel bad about themselves in full blown societal and religious ostracism while proliferating stereotypes such as "many of them have had 1,000 sexual partners or more" but there is only one group that really does this with such gusto. That would be the Christian right, yep that group that is spreading the love of Jesus...but you are only entitled to this love if you believe and are heterosexual......it is a comedy, nothing more.
posted by
gomedome
on October 3, 2005 at 5:34 PM
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Ahh, Gome,
that comedy of which you speak is a very serious issue for many gays. There are actually many who would do anything to be "normal." They hate themselves for being gay and actively seek to change. Seriously. Deep down, when you consider that many of these people have had over 1,000 sexual partners, do you really think they feel good about themselves? Sure, on the surface, they're having a ball. But below the surface it's another story, and those honest enough to admit to this have sought counseling in an attempt to change.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 3, 2005 at 5:11 PM
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JanesOpinion -- that isn't even close to accurate
It was just yesterday that one of the local bishops outlined his church's plan to restore things back to the way they were on the front page of the local paper. The big difference being between what he was doing and what may be the case of the distorted perspective you are trying to describe, is that he did not clearly breach our country's anti-hate laws....as for behaviour modification therapy...that's another thing we are thankful does not take place a lot in this country. Curing gays from being gay to fit into someone's else's beliefs...it gets more comical every day.
posted by
gomedome
on October 3, 2005 at 4:04 PM
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Actually, Gome,
according to my Canadian relatives, something HAS changed in your country; you've lost freedom of speech. A pastor can no longer preach against homosexuality from the pulpit (or anywhere, for that matter). And whether you are for the lifestyle or against it (and it's obvious where you stand), there are some who believe it is wrong and destructive particularly to those caught in the middle of it. There are many pastors who would give anything to help a gay man overcome, but are not able to for fear of having his own freedoms taken away.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 3, 2005 at 3:40 PM
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NOPEACE - this posting and subsequent dialogue is way over your head
No one is attempting to or has the right to justify the sexual preferences of another individual in our society. It is only people such as yourself, armed with your little black book of myths and magic, that would even consider a need to justify how another law abiding, tax paying citizen lives their lives.
posted by
gomedome
on October 3, 2005 at 1:56 PM
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IT AMAZES ME THE WAY PEOPLE TRY TO JUSTIFY HOMOSEXUALITY WITHIN OUR SOCIETY. BUT MY CONCERN ACTUALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOMOSEXUALITY BUT THE TOTAL EASE SOME PEOPLE CAN SIMPLY DISMISS GOD AND THE BIBLE AND MAKE STATEMENTS SUCH AS "TAKE YOUR BIBLES AND PENCHANTS AND GO HOME."
IN TODAY'S TAKING MAKING AGGRESSIVE STATEMENTS TOWARD CHRISTIANS, THE BIBLE AND GOD ARE ALL TO OFTEN CONSIDERED EXPRESSING HOW STRONG YOU ARE IN YOUR CONVICTIONS. I WONDER HOW BOLD THOSE STATEMENTS WILL BE MADE IN THE FACE OF GOD DURING THE TIME OF THE JUDGEMENT.
posted by
NOPEACE
on October 3, 2005 at 1:40 PM
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kooka_lives -- you would have been highly entertained with the debate
leading up to the decision. Our country's fringe elements put their 2 cents in for everyone's entertainment. Fortunately the Christian right is also a fringe element in this country because there was some political pressure from the USA on this issue. Mostly in the form of using branch plant types of churches (head office in the USA with small representation here in Canada) as spokespeople. We heard floodgate scenarios developing that had people wanting to marry siblings, farm animals, pets, parents, children, multiple partners and inanimate objects, if we dared venture down this path. It really got comical, yet after it's all over and done with nothing at all has changed for the heterosexual majority. Except a gay person who is married can now walk into a morgue and claim the body of their partner, or is allowed visitation rights if their partner is in intensive care, or can purchase a home together and have the estate protected in the same manner as everyone else...the list goes on.
posted by
gomedome
on October 3, 2005 at 12:48 PM
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I can only hope
That I can some day be as proud of the U.S.A. in the same way. It seems we often give the claim to leading in promoting the ideas of freedom for the whole world, yet here Canada beat us to it.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 3, 2005 at 11:40 AM
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