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Xeno-x -- right on
as can be said of any body of knowledge and thought that has permeated our consciousness, religious constructs, especially those derived from the observations of ancient man, act as nothing more than inhibitors to discovery.
posted by
gomedome
on September 27, 2005 at 8:49 AM
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there are times when i think
that we should not discuss whether or not it's an "accident" --
we should just go with what we know and what becomes discovered.
my impresson of the universe is that it's dynamic (that's why I created the blog, GOD AS THE UNIVERSE AS AN ORGANISM -- says much of what I believe from what I perceive) and it does evolve
we see the Universe (mainly our local part of it) seem to be progressing -- from something and toward something.
i think humankind is at the threshhold of discovering things that have really never before been discovered; yet these discoveries, like all discoveries, are built on the foundation of past understandings.
but to see, one must open one's eyes -- remove the scales.
the state of religion today is the scales. they refuse to open their eyes.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 27, 2005 at 8:43 AM
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Xeno-x -- I once took a look at the complete mathematical equation
supporting the Big Bang theory. Most people do not even know that the theory itself is premised on a sound mathematical contention which is an expansion of groundwork laid by Albert Einstein. With a genius of a math scientist at my side and if I do say so myself, having a natural penchant for such things, I could hardly make heads or tails of it. It is complex. It is the pinnacle of what the human brain can comprehend mathematically. When I hear people use terms such as "it's based on an accident" ....what can you say to them?
posted by
gomedome
on September 27, 2005 at 8:35 AM
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well yeah
there's been steady state theory
but big bang to date has the most evidence in support.
even the static over our radios and TV's
the expansion of the Universe
still, as i perceive and have stated before, even the most astute scientists possess an immensely incomplete knowledge of the Universe -- and that's to be expected since we're talking about an immense thing that has existed for an awfully long time.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 27, 2005 at 7:04 AM
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Flame-thrower -that's a good point and to a minor extent I try to cover it
in saying that the Big Bang theory is merely the most popular of simular theories. It's the Tiger Woods of origins theories in that it has the most recognizeable name (misnomer aside) and gets the most press. But as I closed off in this posting I'd sure like to hear something a bit different. A different approach or perspective than the two that have pitted themselves against each other in creation and the explosion that wasn't really an explosion.
posted by
gomedome
on September 26, 2005 at 2:30 PM
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I do like to hear those who are for the big bang or whatever evolutionary theories. However, what sends me mad is the fact that, Big bang's followers don't want people to find out alternative sources, which I have concluded that, Big Bang theory should be as absurd as the name itself.If their theory is not wrong why then don't they want or like to hear about theories that contradicts, theirs?
posted by
Flame-thrower
on September 26, 2005 at 2:20 PM
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depends upon i guess
what we think the universe is
when i contemplate the universe
i give up.
but "things" how's that? -- things go on indefinitely and infinitely.
what things? I don't know.
maybe past the things we think we know lies nothing. but that goes on indefinitely and infinitely
and then we ask ourselves, "Is nothing part of the universe?"
therein lies ?????
"The fault, dear Cassius, is not in our stars, but in ourselves."
We just let the universe be the universe and the universe will be what it will be.
we really can't grasp it.
but all the conjecture is fun and exciting.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 26, 2005 at 6:02 AM
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It makes my head hurt
To try to understand gravity so strong even light cannot escape.
posted by
calebs_blogger
on September 25, 2005 at 8:16 PM
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Very good post
I look forwards to seeing where you go with this.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 25, 2005 at 7:12 PM
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Xeno-x -- you lost me on the first line
How could we know that the universe is infinite .....or eternal for that matter?
posted by
gomedome
on September 25, 2005 at 4:47 PM
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cantey_1975 = reading your comment you hit on something interesting
How many Big Bangs have happened in the complete universe? It is possible that our comprehension of space, size and time does not allow us to see that our universe is only one of many. I'm not speaking of parrallel universes but more neighbouring. That is what I see our biggest limitation to be. I have no idea what a billion looks like, I couldn't hope to envision a trillion. Yet we speak in terms of billions of years and trillions of miles or light years.
posted by
gomedome
on September 25, 2005 at 4:46 PM
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well
the universe is infinite and eternal.
who knows what happened before the big bang
who knows what happened back to the big bang
all anyone can do is guess the best they can
the entire entirety is beyond comprehension
i don't know why anyone tries sometimes
it is interesting though experiencing scientific conjecture
but that's the best anyone can do.
there is no way to inow exactly what happened
but the entire history is mind blasting
it shows what i would call a hard to conceive "intent" on the part of the Universe.
it grows. it makes mistakes and learns from them. one cycle is for sure, birth and growth and death and rebirth from the ashes of the death.
it's a cycle of the universe.
also is evolution -- which is spurred by death.
living things learn to avoid death the best they can
still there's no design
just an organic growth
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 25, 2005 at 2:54 PM
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I think black holes may be the key
and I am not referring to the mental condition of some, but those facinating, mysterious suctions in space. The force of thease suctions are so powerful that light cannort escape. They are formed in the aftermath of supernovas because of the incredable gravational collapse resulting in the star running out of hydrogen and losing the ability to counterbalence the crushing weight of the gases of the star. Therefore an incomprehensible force literally tears a hole in the universe I guess. This seems to be outside of mathmatics. Where does all this matter and energy go after it is sucked away by the black hole? THere are prbably trillions of supernovas happing at any given time in the expanse of the universe. Maybe all of this enrgy and matter is routed ( by laws we no not of yet) and compressed collectivly by the gravitas of all the black holes into one point, and effectively reapperas " somewhere else" and the process or the " big bang" starts "somewhere else". BEcause we know enegy cannot be created or destroyed.
posted by
calmcantey75
on September 25, 2005 at 2:46 PM
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