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kooka_lives -- that's another good point - who is to blame if he falls off
of the wagon? Well of course we will betreated to some blithering rendition of how it is all free will or some other conveniant nonsense.
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2005 at 7:34 PM
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thelongroad
So what happens if Brain gets hooked on drugs again? If we were to follow your logic then God and Jesus and the Christians faith would have just been too weak to keep him sober, since it was that power which sobered him up. Yet I am positive that you would find some other excuse for that event. I find it very interesting that you are so afraid of the true strength of a single person and need to degrade such an event as sobering up by taking the credit away from the person who pulled their life together and give it to your mythical beings.
Also, you straight out told Gomedome to 'Burn in Hell'. give up the lies about it having been an experiment and admit the reality of it. You just make yourself look more the fool by trying to claim it to be anything else. Your 'lab rat' idea is first off an obvious lie, second very childish and finally just plan out pointless. You really kill of any sense of integrity you might have had the more you keep the obvious lie going. You've destroyed your credibility already, so anything more just reflects badly on your character.
This is the comment in question for anyone coming into this late:
"Burn in Hell, Baby
A True Christian would not take pride in his/her actions.
Posted by on September 15, 2005 at 6:15 AM"
Now according to thelongroad this was not directed at Gomedome, the writer of the piece this was left as a comment to. So could anyone explain how in the world this could be taken as anything except a direct comment towards the writer of the post it was left for?
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 19, 2005 at 7:25 PM
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thelongroad -- let me give you a couple of quick little life lessons
You seem to think that any form of tolerance, respect for the beliefs of others or just plain common courtesy is a one way street that somehow should be flowing only in your direction. For example, both the word "prick" and "bullshit" have about the same degree of vulgarity and could have easily been left out of a conversation in public domain. Yet you used one of these vulgar terms first and when I used one a short while afterwards, you described it as a character deficiency common amongst athiests. Same thing happened when you began hurling insults, you received a few in return and couldn't handle it, even tried manufacturing lies to cover your transgressions....and you expect people to take anything you say seriously?
You've flipped open a bible and allowed it's contents to overwhelm your obviously weak mental capabilities, then somehow I am supposed to not only support the delusions of Christianity I am now supposed to put up with your crap as well? Sorry buddy, but I can't make you smarter by arguing with you. If you want to be treated with a little courtesy and not have your intelligence insulted continuously I can only say ..."you first".
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2005 at 5:23 PM
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GomeDome - Does It Take Effort to Be a Prick or Just Come Natural?
Gome, it's not my fault that you are narrow minded, blinded by your own delusions, one of which is that you are the only intelligent species on this planet.
God healed Brian just as He has healed countless others. However, you have to be willing to turn from your sin in order for Him to do a work in your life. Your problem is that you don't even acknowledge the sin nature.
posted by
thelongroad
on September 19, 2005 at 3:15 PM
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thelongroad -- why bother trying to make yourself sound intelligent now?
Your broken logic, wishful thinking and generally confused perspective, tells us that the closest you have ever come to conducting a lab experiment is pushing a broom in the hallway.
Now let's follow a bit of your broken logic for a minute. Say that Brian Welch's overcoming substance abuse was some form of miracle performed by the supposed son of God. Is that the best he can do? Save one solitary and very obscure guitarist from himself? This makes all of the other millions of substance abusers in this world just poor saps who are not getting the preferential treatment that Brian is getting. Or it shows us just how limited Jesus is in his abiltiies to help people. But of course you never thought of this because you are too busy conducting lab experiments.
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2005 at 2:35 PM
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Predictable Lab Rat Response
Findings 1.23 - the test subject will immediately reject and usually resort to profanity when presented with the reality of the test environment. In the face of failure to respond adequately, the subject will simply claim that the tester is making up lies. I wrote that years ago.
Hey Gome, drug abuse is not a character flaw. Sin is our character flaw. Our bodies crave destructive activities. Are you going to claim that all people who drink, smoke, and eat fattening ice cream are weak in character? Also, Brian literally kicked his habit overnight. No detox clinic or program in the world can claim that success. Most people end up back in rehab. The immediate radical transformation of Brian Welch into a loving Christian is a testament to the truth of Jesus Christ.
posted by
thelongroad
on September 19, 2005 at 2:03 PM
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thelongroad -- bullshit won't allow you to crawl out from under your lies
A lab rat? ... nice try but complete and utter bullshit and you know it. The decision to use drugs in this day and age can be described as nothing but a character weakness. We all know the potential consequences, yet some choose to make this poor decision anyways...... and far from belittling a reformed drug user I offer them all of the encouragment possible in their attempts to get their lives in order. It was your little word play, the way you tried to entrap me that I found objectionable. One more time, it matters not what the vehicle is that allows an individual to escape substance abuse, it only matters that they do. The difference between people such as yourself and others is that when an individual escapes substance abuse via a newfound faith you feel obliged to utilize it to further your agenda. Meanwhile there are a host of different avenues for this same escape from detox centers to work camps that help just as many people if not more. It really all depends on the individual what works and if it in fact will work. Most people seem to recognize this fact except people such as yourself that want ti so much to be their invisible friends that are responsible. As for not recognizing the value of Christianity you cannot have read too far back in my postings. I have often listed some of it's values but all you see are things you disagree with.
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2005 at 8:03 AM
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thelongroad
There are good Christians out there, but I would trust an atheist over a Christian any day of the week. The best and most morally centered people have known in my life have straight out be atheist and the worst, least morally centered people I have known in my life have been Christians. Now I have know members of both that have fallen in-between the two levels, but experience tells me an atheist is more likely to be honest and open with you and not play games and try to cheat you in the end or trick you with lies and propaganda. Now most of this is stuff I was not aware of until I figured out that God was just a myth (I ahd to use the word there since it really is the only word that works to honestly describe the Biblical God). At no point can I think of did I 'hate' the church or God when I came to me realization that there was no God. It was years after I realized I was an atheist that I started to look back and see how harmful the church really was. Most of it came from debating believers who helped show me just how clueless they were and how weak the foundation of their beliefs were. Seriously, it is those like you who say 'Burn in Hell' and then lie about it in the next breath who help show the true side of belief.
An atheism hold much more value to life and living life than Christianity ever could hope for. If one really understands the important aspects of life, none of which are any kind of false higher being, they would see that cases such as Brian Welch would never happen because all the atheists I know are very clean living people who see no use for drugs and such. In a fact very single drug addict I have ever known myself has been a Christian, with one exception but he was abused in a Christian family as he grew up, got on drugs and then became an atheist and had violence issues and such. He started to sober up and then found God and became next to impossible to deal with. But so far it seems his story is unique, as most drug addicts are already believers.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 19, 2005 at 7:46 AM
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Spoken Like a True Atheist
You paint all Christians with this brush. Your posts are attacks against Christianity and Christian beliefs. You beg to differ? Then admit that there are good Christians who really do good things in the world. Admit that the Bible, gasp, actually holds good teachings and moral principles.
Your response to Brian Welch is an insult to anyone who has struggled with drug addiction. Drug addiction does not have anything to do with having a weak character. Anyone who tries these drugs runs the high risk of becoming enslaved. Just another display of your arrogant pompous nature. Yet in your idea world without Christ, Brian would still be suicidal and a junkie. But he's just a loser and losers deserve to die, huh? Atheism demoralizes the value of life.
The BIHB comment was merely an experiment because you are just a lab rat. Your kind can not be reasoned with so the only value is to present test stimuli to study predictable results. The comment never directed indicated you as the object of its presentation yet it shows how your kind are quick to jump to assumptions.
posted by
thelongroad
on September 19, 2005 at 7:14 AM
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Schree - yes they all do basically teach the same thing -- so where do the
the wheels fall off of the cart? A message of love cannot be taught hand in hand with messages of discrimination and institutionalized ostracism, yet people tend to leave these negative aspects out when describing the message of any chosen religion. But just try experiencing this "love" if you are a non believer, gay or even divroced in some instances, as well as many other groups.
posted by
gomedome
on September 19, 2005 at 6:12 AM
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Yes..
Life would be so much better if we could all respect each other's beliefs..But, that's a long shot. People have such strong opinions..I personally think that all religions carry their own weight for the worshipper..they all basically teach the same things..Live, and love everyone..Schree`
posted by
Schree
on September 19, 2005 at 12:27 AM
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thelongroad -- I beg to differ, I have no intention of insulting all
Christians, just the utterly brainwashed simpletons that want to contribute to an ongoing general malaise within society as they attempt to restrict others in how they live and as they impede the growth of knowledge. If you get painted with this brush, that's tough. If you take offence that's tough as well, I could not care less. You always have the option of just getting lost. As for the profound question you think you posed with Brian Welch. A person of weak character replaces the crutch of substance abuse with the crutch of religion. More power to him if it works for him but trying to word the question the way you have is typical. He of course would not be better off in continuing a life of substance abuse which is the point, not the avenue or vehicle that allowed him to free himself of this problem. Now maybe you could try to back peddle out of one of your lies again .... who did you tell to "Burn in Hell Baby?"
I don't expect you to act like a man and actually conceed that you tried to lie your way out of this. We can expect nothing from someone who lives in a fantasy world that is supposedly guided by mythical creatures.
posted by
gomedome
on September 18, 2005 at 1:11 PM
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Flame-thrower -- there is a bit more to the story of going to Iran
My trip there was to work in a permanent position for a multi-national oil company...I lasted 5 days before I quit in complete and utter disgust of the culture I had placed into. Aside from acknowleding that 5 days anywhere does not give one a clear picture of anywhere, if there was one thing I picked up that I could say with absolute certainty, it was that praying for these people to change their religion was a completely wasted effort.
posted by
gomedome
on September 18, 2005 at 12:29 PM
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We Are All One Nature
Christians are all part of one body and when you use demeaning terms, you are insulting all Christians. Of course, nothing will change your attitude. You will continue to spit your venom, mask your hatred because it's all that you have. Most atheists, agnostics, whatever, have experienced some negativity firsthand with Christianity which turned them away. So you create these false walls to make you feel like God is just a myth. Myth. That term feels good, doesn't it? It's so easy to ignore all the evidence, and crawl into that cocoon that is called myth. Someone needs to pierce through your darkness with the blinding light of truth.
Oh btw, you ignored the Brian Welch question. No surprise. A creature of the dark will run from the light.
posted by
thelongroad
on September 18, 2005 at 12:20 PM
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The Middle east like moslems deserve a strong prayer from good christians around the World. For I can't understand why they go around killing without remorse under the guise that they are ordered by God. One good thing I discovered in your post is that you hoinestly said though you have gone to Iran you are not an expert.
posted by
Flame-thrower
on September 18, 2005 at 12:10 PM
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