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thelongroad
Sorry, but one would have to be really ignroant to believe that Christians were not trying to force thier beliefs on others. That is the core idea of Christianity after all. You should go read my post about how Athism saved me when belief in God did nothing for me.
And going back though the comments you have left, you did tell him to burn in Hell. It was obviosuly beyond obvious that the comment was directed at him. I would have to say your denile in that comments section was a great lie (You know, that baring false witness thing, that good believers are nto suppose to do yet do all the time). So far it seems that it is the believers who have created lies or tried to alter the facts when they are truly unable to prove their points. I have yet to see a non-believer do this here.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 17, 2005 at 3:44 PM
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thelongroad -- by the way -- I'm still waiting for an answer on this from
you. You left a comment with the headline "Burn in Hell Baby" in my comments section then when I redressed you, this is what you came back with:
"Thanks for proving my study that atheists are quick to jump to false assumptions. I never directed stated that I wanted you to burn in hell yet you assume that the title was directed at you. So defensive."
Now tell us who you did direct this title at and why you would choose to leave it in my comment section without a qualifier if it was in fact directed at someone else. I'm not going to let you lie your way out of this one.
posted by
gomedome
on September 17, 2005 at 12:38 PM
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thelongroad -- you have to learn how to make the distinction between
an insult directed at an individual and something you find offensive written in a public forum. If you don't like the term "Bible thumper" then what the hell are you doing returning over and over again to a posting that uses the term not only in it's description but regularly in it's content? Like how many times do you have to be clubbed over the head?
I could return the favour and find an article chronicling the weaknesses of some Christian loser to compare you to, your lord knows that in terms of simple numbers there are plenty of them around, but I won't degrade myself. You can suggest I cast the first stone all you want but I have written proof in comment section after comment section who has starts it every time.
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gomedome
on September 17, 2005 at 11:10 AM
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Hence, Ye Cast the First Stone
There ya go again. Throwing out the first insult with the name calling term, "bible thumper" which implies that Christians are ignorant and want to cram our beliefs down other people's throats.
I have debated with atheists for years, and you are no different. The response is always the same. THey will NEVER accept any Christian evidence, and if you corner them enough, they start to make direct insults at one's intelligence which you have. I encourage you to read www.ex-atheist.com and see how you mirror this guy:
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My anti-Christian arguments became my ultimate diversion to a hopeless life. I learned that religious debate wasn't as much about truth as it was about language and presentation. I began seeing flaws in my own logic while trying to demonstrate certain instances of Biblical errancy, but that didn't keep me on the bench. To justify my desire to destroy Christianity, I had to find reasons to discredit it. I railed against its hypocrisy, the behavior of its followers, the wars fought in its name and I questioned the motives of its bloody god and the religion's effective outcome. In short, I began seeing it as the supreme evil, despite the fact that my own view of moral relativism did not permit a logical defense of the concept of evil."
I still await your detailed answer as to how Brian Head Welch would have been better off not coverting to Christianity and continuing in his life of sin, misery, and drug abuse.
www.headtochrist.com
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thelongroad
on September 17, 2005 at 7:34 AM
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ariel70 -- I have to conceed that there are a lot of good underlying
principles to be found in Christianity, just as there is in any other faith system. The problem lies however in the propensity of mankind to talk a certain way but act quite another. Love thy Neighbour? .. a nice sentiment to be sure but human behaviour should by now have demonstrated that saying it and doing it are two completely different things. I would go as far as to say that the promotion of such a lofty ideal in the face of how people really act borders on naieve. It may be time to adjust the sights to something more realistic and possibly more attainable in tolerance for others and the recognition of the rights of others. I'm not saying that certain worthy goals that we have tried to live by in the past be abandoned but more that a new focus on reality will serve to possibly produce better results in how man treats his fellow man. I think that we can say with some certainty that religious ideals are sure as hell not going to help us. Love thy Neighbour? I don't love my neighbour...he's a fat, beer guzzling idiot that drives a yellow Hummer ... but I do know that I have to respect his rights and accept the fact that he is doing nothing illegal by being stupid.
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gomedome
on September 16, 2005 at 11:02 AM
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gomedome
I guess that in a world that's full of inexplicable paradoxes and contradictions ; that itself is floating in universe which is inimical to human life, many people will look outside them selves for answers to the riddles.
And many find comfort in a belief in an external power ruling and guiding the universe ; and good luck to them, I say. I am an atheist, but I'm perfectly happy to govern my life on Christian principles, for " Love they neighbour as thyself" is just about the best aduration that I can think of for a good, compassionate atheist life.
And not all Christians are the foaming-at-the-mouth zealots that you appear to think they are. We should all, believers and non-believers be tolerant of other's beliefs. But you are right to condemn religious extremism, which is as potent a poison as its political counterpart.
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ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 10:44 AM
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