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I loved you talking about opinions and picnics! LOL And, the chili sauce. . , now THAT was very crafty, Mayb. LOL
posted by
Joe_Love
on September 2, 2005 at 6:32 AM
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No problem then we won't be a sandwich short of a picnic
posted by
Azur
on August 30, 2005 at 2:26 AM
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I'd rather be sitting at the picnic table than floating about in the hot air. Except, you have all the sticky stuff as I'm scared of jaspers.
posted by
_dave_says_ack_
on August 30, 2005 at 2:06 AM
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Got it...more...curmudgeonly.
Now quit your whining and get back to posting!!
Better?
posted by
majroj
on August 29, 2005 at 10:14 PM
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October--Angel, thanks for your comment - opinion and that big slab of white space ;-)
posted by
Azur
on August 29, 2005 at 7:10 AM
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Majroj, makes note... must be more curmudgeonly. It is not my function here to be liked by all. If I speak as I find things it is not possible to be liked by all.
posted by
Azur
on August 29, 2005 at 7:08 AM
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Hemlocker, the ease of conveying information means that readers need to be more discerning than ever otherwise they'll be bomdared
posted by
Azur
on August 29, 2005 at 7:05 AM
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Need-determined perception: good point ARGUS
posted by
Azur
on August 29, 2005 at 7:02 AM
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Thank you QuirkyAlone.
posted by
Azur
on August 29, 2005 at 5:41 AM
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nicely put, May
posted by
SilverMoon7
on August 29, 2005 at 3:30 AM
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Excellent and wise post May
Thank you. Those last few sentences are very good.
posted by
Katray2
on August 28, 2005 at 7:57 PM
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MayB, I have found in my ¾ century on this little planet that
intelligent persons who have adequate self-esteem are generally more tolerant of others' diverging opinions. As to 'facts', we must be aware that even they are subject to selection bias --- some are considered, others may be ignored according to the more general principle of what psychologists call 'need-determined perception'.
posted by
ARGUS
on August 28, 2005 at 6:08 PM
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Scoop. "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
It is a very good quote but the trouble lies in one fact which is that no one is in possession of all the facts.
posted by
Azur
on August 28, 2005 at 5:10 PM
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What a great post!
And well said. You make a good point in that while everyone is entitled to their opinion, that does not mean that others have to agree with it, or even listen to it if they've heard enough of your opinions already and deem them unsuitable to their world view or to life as they understand it. Thanks!
posted by
UsualSuspect
on August 28, 2005 at 2:18 PM
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I agree...
it is up to ourselves to make up our choices about what we wanna hear or not...
posted by
Marshallengraved
on August 28, 2005 at 2:08 PM
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MayB, I like to see the opinions that come across here on Blogit
I use to write in the opinion area but it was a big mix so I moved to News and Politics where it got interesting during the elections and now of course the war.
I like the following definition and the two quotes, the second is my favorite.
Opinion-A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.
"The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion"-Elizabeth Drew
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
posted by
scoop
on August 28, 2005 at 1:46 PM
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Terpgirl30, I agree that it is better when readers are given all the information and they can determine for themselves. It will fall in its own way.
posted by
Azur
on August 28, 2005 at 1:35 PM
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Remember when we used to talk about the "nickel" in your posts (i.e., finding the nickel hidden in the cake)--this was my nickel today: My opinions are but crumbs in a sandwich picnic.
That is a great sentence!! It always amazes me how some people seem to think their opinion should take precedence over everyone else's "just because."
posted by
Julia.
on August 28, 2005 at 1:31 PM
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Freedom of speech (and it covers the freedom of listening part
as you say) gets a little funky in a place like this. It's absolutely bush league behavior to post something about someone personally, then block the person. That's cowardly, in my opinion. So even though you may not want to listen to it, the other people in reading the post may want to know that there is another side. If you're not prepared to let that out there, it's pretty self serving.
A good editorial is opinions that are backed up with facts. Others may interpret the facts differently, and come up with a different opinion. But if they are given only half the facts, it serves no purpose at all. That's what I took away from that whole skirmish, and I just glanced at it, figuring...uh oh, here we go again.
The poster should have just let it drop or sent a personal email, THEN blocked the personal return email if she didn't want to personally hear it. It's not out there for the cyber mobs to see.
posted by
terpgirl30
on August 28, 2005 at 12:46 PM
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And the ants...
posted by
cmoe
on August 28, 2005 at 11:08 AM
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I think the "right to an opinion" thing
was mostly just made up to prevent that sort of opression by governments. Using it about blogs and conversation is a bit pointless really, isn't it, because no-one's oppressing anyone, forcing them to do one thing or another. 
Hehe, the picnic allegory was just what I was trying to think of a way to express...
posted by
Gubby
on August 28, 2005 at 11:04 AM
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MayB
Great Post! I think Hemlocker said my opinion better than I can state it..
posted by
BrightIrish
on August 28, 2005 at 8:23 AM
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Loved...
...that last line!!
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on August 28, 2005 at 8:08 AM
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How the heck
does Brisbane Artist do that??
posted by
Hemlocker
on August 28, 2005 at 7:00 AM
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"pursuing fussy eaters with a bottle of
hot chili sauce." Now there's a spicy figure of speech! You know, MayB, so-called freedom of speech always has had limits in this country. Some are reasonable such as Justice Holmes's reminder that no-one is free to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Some are more selective, like being critical of a war in a public forum and being arrested for "illegal assembly." And then if Rev. Pat Robertson says on national TV that the United States should murder the legally-elected president of a nation with a democratic government, our president says that is "innappropriate"; but if I go on national TV and say we should "take out" President Bush or Prime Minister Blair, that is terrorism; I'll be snatched and locked up so tight that I'll never see the light of day again. In a comment to another blogger (Dennison Mann), you asked if people are more gullible today. I don't think people are necessarily more gullible today. The technology for spreading highly-sophisticated methods of propaganda, however, is much more advanced and effective than in the past. Hemlocker
posted by
Hemlocker
on August 28, 2005 at 6:57 AM
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How odd, eleven comments listed and nine showing?
Who used invisible ink?
MayB, you sound like you want #1 AND you want everyone to like you! Next you'll want to get paid...
Remember the Second Law Of Blogging: "This isn't real life!".
Oh, yes, the Third: "Stop Navel-Diving, you'll disappear in ever-decreasing font!".
posted by
majroj
on August 28, 2005 at 6:28 AM
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Well I think this post or blog as we call it should be in the Opinion section, not the writing section. This is supose to be free speech, well isn't that what having an opinion is all about. Just think about it. but it was an enjoyable read. Thank you.
posted by
October--Angel
on August 28, 2005 at 5:40 AM
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Aha, a very buzzy pic
posted by
Azur
on August 28, 2005 at 5:37 AM
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You can B both Brisbane Artist. I think the question is -- does it matter that everyone knows whether you are right?
posted by
Azur
on August 28, 2005 at 5:36 AM
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2 B
Just 2 illustrate the point
posted by
brisbane_artist
on August 28, 2005 at 5:34 AM
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Do
you want 2 B right?
Or
do you want 2 B happy!
That is the question!
posted by
brisbane_artist
on August 28, 2005 at 5:30 AM
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Ann, I think that's very often true
posted by
Azur
on August 28, 2005 at 3:26 AM
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It could become a matter of ego. Any means of argument, for the sake of winning, and not a care to the real subject at heart.
Ann.
posted by
A-and-B
on August 28, 2005 at 3:03 AM
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I like to speak out if I feel that I am right....LOL
other than that I try not to get involved...but sometimes.......
posted by
_Symphony_
on August 28, 2005 at 1:43 AM
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I tend to have very strong opinions, but I often keep them to myself.
posted by
Ca88andra
on August 27, 2005 at 10:54 PM
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People seem to think along the lines of "I thought this so therefore you must hear all about it." I think this forum is unhealthy for writing in that respect because people do not always learn to discern what deserves to be written
posted by
Azur
on August 27, 2005 at 10:46 PM
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MayB, I like this. Personally, I avoid writing in the Opinion Category. Actually, I don't even read that category very often. I know what I think but I don't care to argue about it or to persuade someone to change to my way of thinking. So, I mostly just tell incidents of life. Good writing on writing.
posted by
TAPS.
on August 27, 2005 at 9:44 PM
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