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thelongroad -- try if you can to get your facts straight and think a little
while you are at it. I do not make statements in unfounded absolute terms the way that you do. I did say that the Noah's ark story is a children's fable because it is physically impossible to do what the story says he did. I did not say that it was "proven". It is however ridiculous and ludicrous....and what the heck would you know about great minds. Rabbits would have great minds from your perspective.
posted by
gomedome
on August 26, 2005 at 12:06 PM
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Gomedome - Why Do You Keep Spewing Your Anti-Christian Nonsense?
Honestly, what do you hope to gain? The MAJORITY of the world including some the greatest minds on the planet disagree with you.
As for Noah's ark, if you are going to claim that it's a proven fable then the burden of proof is on your shoulders to prove that the story never happen especially considering that countless cultures have flood stories with amazing similiarities to the Bible's account. Will you ever accept Christian evidence? Yes or No.
posted by
thelongroad
on August 26, 2005 at 11:20 AM
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thelongroad -- why do you keep coming back here?
Refuting the story of Noah's ark has nothing to do with proof or methods of investigation but everything to do with simple common sense and the fact the story doesn't jive. If you want to turn your brain off and accept such childish drivel as fact, that is your problem. And yeah, there are expeditions to find Noah's ark but you can bet your last buck on two things. #1. they aren't financed by those people actually on this idiotic quest but instead the money is siphoned from those foolish enough to believe such claptrap. First class suckers such as ......I won't mention any names.... and #2. they will never find anything. The odds against finding wood in a preserved state after such a period of time are astronomical. Didn't you bible thumping knuckleheads learn anything from the Shroud of Turin fiasco?
posted by
gomedome
on August 25, 2005 at 4:20 PM
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Faking Frustration
Can we say "copout"? The fact is that you are the deluded one refusing to accept ANY Christian evidence. It's so easy to claim that an event is fable. But you can't prove it. You can easily label all ancient history as fables with your methods. If Noah's ark is such an accepted fable, why are there archeologists mounting expeditions to find the ark? I'm afraid that you are the narrow minded one, and most of the great minds of the world will not agree with your rants.
posted by
thelongroad
on August 25, 2005 at 4:00 PM
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thelongroad -- I have all kinds of backing evidence but you simply are
incapable of getting it. You will not accept anything outside of the highly agendized Christian perspective as truth or subject any of your beliefs to rational scrutiny. The Noah story is a good example, it insults my intelligence to have to explain to an adult that this can only be a fable. Some day you may realize what an offence the things you spew are to thinking people who have broadened their perspectives beyond Christianity. We are all going to hell because we do not subscribe to your delusion, what a joke.
posted by
gomedome
on August 24, 2005 at 11:11 PM
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You're Just a Bag Full of Insults
The problem is that you fail to demonstrate why Christian evidence is nonsense. Calling the Bible a myth, and blasting Christian apologetics as being hilarious and absurd with no backing evidence does not make your position any more valid. Let's see. Could you ever once admit at least one good thing about Christianity? Nope, you're too brainwashed.
posted by
thelongroad
on August 24, 2005 at 10:35 PM
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thelongroad -- do you think that you invented this drivel?
Chuckleheads have been coming out of the woodwork spewing this nonsense ever since I have been on Blogit. You are in your own little deluded fantasy world trying to make things that aren't real fit into your wishful thinking. Suggesting that I am close minded won't change any of this. You are just another "born again" in desperate need of de-programming, endured by the rest of us until you fall off the holy roller tracks like most of them do.
posted by
gomedome
on August 24, 2005 at 4:36 PM
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Brainwashed
Sadly, you are the brainwashed one. Notice how you immediately reject all Christian evidence without even blinking? You are programmed to act this way. Your mind is closed.
posted by
thelongroad
on August 24, 2005 at 3:46 PM
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thelongroad -- your "proof" is even better than your facts for hilarity
I will do you a favour and reconcile your manipulated figure concerning 70% of physicians. It is more like 100% believe in the value of positive thinking in the healing process but not specifically prayer. All physicians have probably witnessed unexplained reversals in life threatening medical conditions and though a rare occurance, documented evidence of such does exist. You call them miracles but ignore a number of unescapable facts. First off these so called medical miracles happen to all faiths as well as believers and non believers alike. Secondly, suggesting that divine intervention is responsible belittles all of those poor saps who prayed for a miracle but died anyways. It also makes your manufactured God an entity of incredible cruelty in that he answers only a miniscule number of random prayers.
Do you think mentioning Paul Harvey simply because he is famous means anything or lends any contention credibility? Many famous people are brainwashed too.
posted by
gomedome
on August 24, 2005 at 7:16 AM
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Xeno-x -- I was preparing a rebuttle to my previous commentor but you
have covered some of the points quite nicely. This is what these people are reduced to in the year 2005, in using urban legend and anecdotal evidence to support their delusion. Or insisting that the improbable as witnessed by ancient man and chronicled through a decidedly less evolved understanding of the world around them at the time, is somehow true. One has to wonder at what stage of our developement as a species that these people will realize that all of these "proofs" of God's existence and his alleged answering of their prayers are self derived from an overwhelming need for it to be true and nothing more? .....
posted by
gomedome
on August 24, 2005 at 6:58 AM
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how many pastors
have told this story?
I've heard that story before about the "exact amount needed" -- Herbert W. Armstrong received it and a lot of Christians will say he wasn't Christian.
Of course, there's also the question: who was there to witness it? -- was there an objective witness somewhere? So we have the pastor's word on it.
But -- odd how this person says that you have to DISprove that those miracles happened so long ago. This means that we would have to disprove the feats of, say, Hercules, or Oedipus (and the sphinx that riddled him).
The story was written, but what proof do we have that it actually occured.
It would seem that the onus of proof lies with the source of the supernatural occurence. And since that source is no longer existent . . .
Me? I feel god. I don't go around trying to find god or create god.
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 24, 2005 at 6:41 AM
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Hemlocker -- muttering things to invisible friends would be entirely
your choice.
posted by
gomedome
on August 24, 2005 at 6:36 AM
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So Much Proof to Prove You Wrong
Actually, the uniqueness of every human is a great evidence of a creator. You do not see this factor in other species of the animal kingdom.
If you want to support your doubts, it's simple. Research and disprove every story of miracle healing in the Christian faith, as well as other supernatural events. I can provide examples if you like. Like there is the story of my pastor who was in dire financial need with a ministry. He needed an exact dollar amount to pay his rent. No one else knew about this. Right before they were contemplating moving, a check from an unknown person arrived in the mail for the exact dollar amount. The note said that they didn't know why, but God had told them to mail this check. There are hundreds of stories like this that defy rational explanation. How about the survery where over 70% of physicans attest to the powerful healing of prayer, and they believe in miracles? Paul Harvey reported this. Explain that one. Explain why the prophecies in the Bible were perfectly fullfilled. Not bad for a book of myths eh?
posted by
thelongroad
on August 23, 2005 at 11:59 PM
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gomedome, my son--
I will pray for you. Hemlocker
posted by
Hemlocker
on August 23, 2005 at 11:29 PM
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