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Then show me one. So far I keep asking for one of his supporters to show me one positive then the guy has done and even though just like you they claim he has done positive stuff, they can not give me even one example. All you did was tell me I was wrong and did nothing to prove it.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 27, 2005 at 6:25 PM
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Kooka, the fact that you don't even see one or anything close just
screams this fact: you are incapable, either do to ignorance or a narrow-minded view... of seeing anything good come from the Bush Presidency.
As much as I dislike Carter and Clinton I could never say such a thing with a straight face and I would not expect my readers to take me seriously.
S. Topher Gray
posted by
itisdone
on August 27, 2005 at 6:10 PM
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Janes
I would love to know what positives you think Bush is doing. I have yet to see one myself. or anything close to one. Read my posts of the facts I just wrote yesterday and see just what he is doing to our country. History will very much record that he screwed just about every thing up while he was in office. He left things in ruin, not just at home but around the world. He will be known for all the great harm he has caused and for ignoring the needs of his own people.
So you are saying as long as people agree with your views you are nice to them and if they disagree with you you act like a bitch to them? I'm not sure if that is something to be proud of. I try to act civil to all, showing as much respect as possible. I sometimes lose control when I am clearly not being given any respect at all, but even then I like to think I am showing more respect than is shown towards me. All in all I am a very even tempered person.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 27, 2005 at 6:02 PM
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And regarding President Bush, I think it will be most interesting to see what history has to say about him. I think you might be in for a surprise, but then again, what's good to you is certainly NOT generally good to me. The positives I see happening are not positive from your perspective so in your opinion I would venture to guess history will show him as having a terrible record. I, on the other hand, for the most part believe his record will be positive.
We are a very divided country.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 27, 2005 at 5:21 PM
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Ha! Actually Kooka, people tell me I'm about the nicest person they've known. I only seem to butt heads with you and other liberal blogging folks like you.
I'm glad to hear that you're a happy sort of character. I'll take your word for it.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 27, 2005 at 5:19 PM
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Janes
I have to figure you do not read my blogs much at all then. Or do you figure that since I have issue with the idiot of a president that we have or how Conservative thinking is ruining the very fabric of this country, that I am not happy? Bush is about the worst thing to happen to this country, there is no doubt about that. He will go down in history as a horrible president and most likely future generation will be puzzled as to how he ever got reelected. We are headed into some real rough times and if history is anything to learn from, we are headed for another depression if we do not start right now making changes, because all Bush has done so far is open the door for a faster decline.
Go and really read my blogs outside of the the political and religious areas if you wish to get to know me. So far all you seem to read of mine is the stuff that you will disagree with and because you disagree with what I say you have come up with this very strange concept that I am not happy. If that is based purely on my political standings, then you really are not a person whose judgment can be trusted at all.
And I am guessing you must either not let many people get to know you, or most people are too polite to be honest with you if I am only the forth. But I am not going to go anywhere with that.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 25, 2005 at 7:25 PM
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Glad to hear you're happy, Kooka . . .
that was certainly news to me since it definitely doesn't come out in your blogs. You blog as if you are about the most malcontent and dissatisfied on the planet, so I'm glad that in real life you're different. Such a relief!
In all my almost 40 years you're only the fourth person (I'm aware of) who has called or referred to me as "bitch" or "bitchy" so I guess I'm doing pretty good. . .
As ever, I disagree on your economic policy but I suppose by now that's a given.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 25, 2005 at 6:37 PM
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Janes
Do you ever sound like a spoiled bitch there.
You make it sound like I am asking to be paid for nothing. I am actually a very hard working person and I very much believe in doing a days work to earn a days pay. The problem is that Big Business does not want to pay a honest day's pay to anyone. That really is the root of the problem. Trickle down economics DOES NOT WORK because Big Business does not care and so you give them tax breaks and they keep all the money for themselves instead of actually helping the economy and doing anything with it to help their employees out. I know the idea of Big Business being responsible and paying people fair wages is absurd, because for some reason you conservatives keep defending the idea of Big Business raping our country and the people in it. No one holds them accountable for the problems they cause or they people they screw over.
You really missed my point of my post if your thought I was blaming anyone in it. I was just pointing out that Conservatives are blind to reality and that they are not going to worry about the real problems until it is too late and they are as screwed as everyone else. After all that is just what happened with the depression.
And trust me, I am most likely richer than you by far terms of how I enjoy life and with how content I am with what I have. I have been straight out told by those who really know me that I would be happy with life no matter what because I am just a happy person in general. Just because I see what is really taking place and am not liking the idea of of being screwed over, doe not mean I am not 'grateful and content' with what I have.
That is not the point.
I am not asking for more and I am not asking to be handed anything. My TV is about fifteen years old and is very small. I need nothing more. My DVD play is about as basic as it gets. I do not have luxuries and I really am not worried about getting luxuries. I use hand me down computers that my friends have no use for and second hand furniture that my wife's family gives us. I would even live without a car if I did not need one to get me to work. I am worried however about providing for my family and making sure there is a roof over their heads and food on the table. That is getting harder and harder to do because our economy is going down hill. I am not whining about that, just stating facts. I don't want the best of everything and I do not expect it to be handed to me. I want to just be able to get by, which is not much to ask for.
And yes, I can make a difference, buy first off trying to get more and more people to see the truth, such as I try to do with my posts here. I can also make a difference by making sure I do not vote for jerks like Bush who only help Big Business and screw over the little guy, I can make a difference by speaking out against the travesties I see, yet you complain trying to claim I am whining about them. I get out there and work hard to earn as honest a living as Bib Business will give me because I have to. I can only hope that one day I end up somewhere that pays people something close to what they are worth.
You are obviously as blind as any other Conservative as to what is taking place in our country. One day you will most likely wake up to find that you are in trouble because you did not pay attention to what people like me said here and now about where we are headed. Of course hindsight is always 20/20 you know.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 24, 2005 at 7:06 PM
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Don't forget, too, that gas prices are going up thanks to China's insatiable desire for fuel. That huge country is awakening, its middle class is growing and able to afford vehicles. High gas prices are in huge part because of increased demand from China and also India. This would be a problem if either a Dem or Republican were in office. When you think of how so many of our everyday products are manufactured from petroleum, no wonder the prices of a variety of goods are increasing. To blame this problem on the Republican govt in place is short sighted at best, and at worst, well, rather stupid.
All that said, we need to be doing as much as possible to figure out alternative fuel sources. A company near where I live built a factory that turns corn into ethanol. Some say it takes more fuel to produce ethanol from corn and other crops, but from what I've read that is inaccurate. So this is a start, but more definitely needs to be done to decrease our extraordinary reliance on fossil fuels.
Stop whining, Kooka, and look for ways YOU can make a difference. If you don't like the system, then do something to CHANGE IT! I cannot think of anything more annoying than a grown man wailing about the way things are done, seemingly powerless to do anything but instead pointing the finger at everyone else and their supposed imperfections.
Not to sound hard hearted, but sometimes I think the primary difference between the haves and have nots is the presence or absence of a "welfare mentality." This is a huge generalization, and I'm sure a comment you will find hateful, but I believe one with a good bit of truth to it. And for many it's all in their perception. I know several people who have little, but are so grateful and content with what they do have. Although relatively poor perhaps by US standards, they are rich in gratitude for what they do have, and really quite content. Amazing!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 24, 2005 at 6:01 PM
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twodog
I'm living it, everyone I know is living it.
Believe the BS propaganda the Conservatives are feeding you all you want, it does not change the facts. Just wait a few more years and it will be obvious when your big companies start hurting. Do you know any working stiffs at all? The average person is not doing well right now. If you think otherwise, then it is clear that you are far removed from reality and living a pipe dream.
"Exactly who is buying all those thirty-thousand dollar SUV's, pickup trucks, and Mustangs? "
No one I know of. In fact all the middle class people I know are right now just happy to be able to afford a used vehicle.
"if the neodems would stop hugging trees and Anwar and off shore drilling in California and Florida were exploited we could stop our dependence on Middle East oil"
Wow, now that is as ignorant as it gets. Lets destroy the country itself to make a few bucks. Yep, the Conservative thinking at its best. That along would not solve the problem at all, although it would make some money for a few companies at the cost the environment (Which I know Conservatives believe the environment to be a myth and unimportant). Also, I now of no one who is anti-war, just anti- pointless war that never should have been fought because it was all just for Bush and his group to gain from at the cost of the the country itself, while at the same time allowing the terrorists (Our real enemies) to run free and be abel to cause more problems.
"how many rich folks are there in the United States?"
A fair amount actually. Not sure the numbers, but they are there/ What is happening the rich are hoarding the money and not following the 'trickle down economics' idea at all. That means they can afford to buy lots and lots while the lower and middle class are not able to. And yes, many of them own multiple houses, some of which they rent to make more money off of.
You claim to enjoy studying things, go and study the great depression and' see just how it all happened. It was due to the same kind of ignorance you are showing here. We ahd the rich who were getting richer and did not see nay problems because they were doing just fine. When the depression hit, they were still for the most part doing just fine. btu of course they were being dragged down because the lower and middle class were not doing fine. it really was the same kind of thing we are seeing in the early stages right now and you conservatives are turning a blind eye to it until it actually affects your lives directly.
Oh and read my post and look at what I said. Most of the facts you presented here where addressed in the post and you did not present anything new to counter what I said. Everything I said is still valid and makes you facts meaningless.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 24, 2005 at 4:09 PM
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kooka_lives
Where are the facts to back up your position, kooka? I mean, if the economy is actually as bad as you say, there will be stats to back it up. If I am to take your post at face value, the middle class and below are in dire economic shape and only the rich are enjoying the benifits of tax breaks, a five percent unimployment percentage, a stock market that continues to show numbers in the mid tens, the largest home ownership percentage in this countries history (those rich folks must have at least a dozen or so houses a piece), and all this in spite of rising energy prices (if the neodems would stop hugging trees and Anwar and off shore drilling in California and Florida were exploited we could stop our dependence on Middle East oil).
Exactly at what income level is someone considered rich? As a percentage, how many rich folks are there in the United States? Exactly who is buying all those thirty-thousand dollar SUV's, pickup trucks, and Mustangs?
posted by
twodog
on August 24, 2005 at 3:38 PM
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The country is on to Bush. Even his own party. Trust me. He is failing in the biggest way. My friend's son was recently killed in Iraq. This is absurd. And for whom is the economy getting better? People are still struggling just as hard as they ever have in this country. Even the rich. He's just screwed up royally. SMH.. Alexa
posted by
Schree
on August 24, 2005 at 2:57 AM
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