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thelongroad -- You need not be insulted by anything I write in this posting
It obviously never occurred to you to just not read my blogs. Your last comment is typical:
"Honestly, I don't see what you want to accomplish with this crusade other than getting your jollies by insulting Christians. No one is forcing you to comform to Christianity, or demanding that you attend church. As for people who have demonstrated a productive life without Christ, what good is it? You can die in an instant and lose everything."
I continue this crusade as you call it to get a point across to the obtuse who want the entire world to believe as they do. If Christians are insulted by what I write that is tough, I am insulted every day, relentlessly and without relief by people such as yourself. All of your invisible friends such as a conscious entity that watches over us and his evil foil in Satan are nonsencial contructs that I am subjected to every day. I do not believe any of this to be true. Can you comprehend this? Obviously you cannot as your last line illustrates for us. If you think that worshipping these imaginary constructs somehow makes you a better person I feel sorry for you. Even if they did exist I doubt very much that they would demand worship. A little respect for their creations would probably suffice but all of this is beyond someone who thinks life intructions are found in a little book. Now do yourself a favour and don't come back here, it is apparent at this point that you have nothing to add.
posted by
gomedome
on August 20, 2005 at 12:50 PM
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And the notion of a religion changing your life. I say good for you but can you grasp that there are some people in this world that do not need their lives to be changed? That there are some people who have demonstrated a life time of good decision making and have productive and successful lives? Can you grasp this? Is it possible for you to understand that your religion offers an inferior set of life guiding principles to some people?
Honestly, I don't see what you want to accomplish with this crusade other than getting your jollies by insulting Christians. No one is forcing you to comform to Christianity, or demanding that you attend church. As for people who have demonstrated a productive life without Christ, what good is it? You can die in an instant and lose everything.
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thelongroad
on August 20, 2005 at 11:34 AM
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majroj -- there is a stronger connection than the structure between Amway
and Christianity. In it's early stages, back in the 60's and 70's, Amway was much like a religion. It's distributor gatherings took on the appearance of the circus tent evangelists with open prayer and all of the group hysteria tricks that preachers have been using for years. It is no co-incedence that those folks pre-disposed to religious belief sometimes proved to be their best sales performers.
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gomedome
on August 20, 2005 at 8:24 AM
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thelongroad -- how can an individual's perceptions be way off base?
And the notion of a religion changing your life. I say good for you but can you grasp that there are some people in this world that do not need their lives to be changed? That there are some people who have demonstrated a life time of good decision making and have productive and successful lives? Can you grasp this? Is it possible for you to understand that your religion offers an inferior set of life guiding principles to some people?
posted by
gomedome
on August 20, 2005 at 8:14 AM
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Wrong Again
Your perceptions are totally off base. How would you feel if you are told that the faith that changed your life is nothing but a myth and fairy tale, and there is no way to prove it real? The arrogance of atheism creates the negativity.
The REAL truth is that Christians are becoming more supressed in societies by secular humanists who want "Freedom From Religion" instead of "Freedom of Religion". We live in a society where the media mocks Christians, and ignores amazing Christian stories of miracles and healings. Over 90% of the movies produced by Hollywood promote anti-Christian morals. If they do show religion, it is usually in the form of a drunken Catholic priest. They don't have a clue what true Christianity is, and neither do u.
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thelongroad
on August 20, 2005 at 5:24 AM
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Knock it up a click...religious conversion as Amway pyramid.
My understanding is that one Christian offshoot teaches that only those born into the religion will go to the true heaven, and only if they convert others (who, presumably, will not go to the true heaven, which must be sort of a VIP lounge in the great airport of nthe afterlife). I might have it wrong.
I think the resentment comes down to metallurgy and raw materials. We took black powder, combined it with superior metallurgy and iron deposits to develop firearms, which when numerous, were used (along with practical seamanship) to set forth and claim territory and raw materials and slaves from most corners of the globe, and drop off religious zealots to convert the natives...often at the point of a sword and musket.
The true "White Man's Burden".
posted by
majroj
on August 19, 2005 at 9:09 PM
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Hey Justsouno --- that's a good start --- I must say that you picked a new
and vibrant topic. Underlying theme being:
pathway to understanding. To that degree I am impressed.
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gomedome
on August 19, 2005 at 6:39 PM
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Gomedome, it has not gone unappreciated. I would just like all of us
to understand one another and not insist that you be like me or that I be like you. Because I believe we are fine as we are.
posted by
Justi
on August 19, 2005 at 6:14 PM
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Justsouno -- you are welcome -- a bit of discipline is needed to write a
post such as this. It is so easy to wander into one's own opinions or begin returning perceived transgressions. I tried to stay away from that as much as possible.
posted by
gomedome
on August 19, 2005 at 4:24 PM
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Also I thank you for the link. That will let them see what both of us wrote
posted by
Justi
on August 19, 2005 at 4:08 PM
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Gomedome this is an excellent post. Dialog is long over due between all
peoples about faiths of whatever kind if they want to enter into a dialog. I have tried always to make it very clear I do not think anyone is better or worse than I because of their religion or lack there of. My only compliant is people who say they are Christians and say things not ascribed to them by the Bible. Like those people who espouse to know that only 144,000 will go to heaven. No such is in the Bible. Thank you. The more I read from your just talking about this the more I understand where you are coming from. That is your basis for being and your right and anyone's right to choose for themselves what they believe.
posted by
Justi
on August 19, 2005 at 4:07 PM
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