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just read justsouno and twodog -- sheesh!!!! now I know why I try to stay away from that.
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 19, 2005 at 7:48 AM
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the faithful
believers have problems with infidels
because they (the believers) feel that their faith is the ONE TRUE FAITH.
Problem is, of course, that people of all faiths believe this.
And, within the Christian Faith, the various forms of believers believe that their particular form of bleief is supreme and that all other Christians should "convert".
It's a paradox to be sure -- the other person believes as strongly as you do, only in a different belief system. And yet, if you were to accept that belief system as being valid for that person, then you would have to accept also that your belief system is not the only valid one.
And that's the dilemna facing believers.
Their belief is strong; others' are just as strong.
And the choice is either that the others' are invalid; or all are valid and theirs is not the only one.
Think of that.
It's hard for believers to accept questions to their beliefs.
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 18, 2005 at 6:16 AM
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twodog
So to speak against atheism would be an attack on the atheist? SO how is it that believers can 'attack' atheist and not be disrespectful while if an atheist 'attacks' a believer it is disrespectful? So we still hit the same circle. Believer wants what they are calling respect without having to show any to anyone else.
But you obviously did not understand my post at all.
Although if you are so tied up in your beliefs that you really think this, then you are truly nothing without your beliefs. The person you are is meaningless in the end. Kind of sad really.
Faith has a power over your life, but it should not be who you are. My faith of course is in my friends and family, which has yet to let me down and has given me a great set of morals to live my life by, better than most believers I have known. Also it would seem I have a much stronger faith than believe, since people can question my faith and I do not feel it as an attack, and can defend it with out seeing it as such For one thing I am very much aware of the flaws in my friends and family and will not deny them, but instead work through them.
As for your battlefield reference, I would be willing to bet there have been those who have died on the battlefield still unable to believe in God. I am fairly sure I would. The claim comes from the simple fact that fear often makes people do foolish things and be willing to give up a level of personal integrity in order to feel better.
This is yet another one where I am unsure if you actually read the post or just the headline before you made your comment.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 17, 2005 at 3:43 PM
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kooka_lives
Let me begin by saying, there are no atheists on the battle field. A wounded soldier prays to his god, and then askes for his mother. Faith, is who we are, it guides every action, from the treatment of our family, ourselves, and others. Faith affects the way an individual approaches their job, entertainment, recreation, life. It is virtually impossable to separate faith from personal conduct.
To speak against, attack, a personal faith, is to speak against, attack, the individual. The Book has sometihing to say about faith. The one I remember is, "It's not important how you believe, but that you believe." Another, "If you disagree, don't argue, turn away."
Now, when an individual uses faith as a basis to attack others, for any reason, the individual actions, in the name of faith, are open to question. When a faith, a religion, openly stated in that religion's book, promotes oppression, torture, murder, in the name of God, then, it's open season.
posted by
twodog
on August 17, 2005 at 3:19 PM
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