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thelongroad -- I simply cannot instill an education in you nor can I make

you see things that your brainwashing does not allow you to see. Other cultures have mentioned the great flood aside from those influenced by the bible. Perspectives that are decidedly different from the misinformation that you have swallowed as fact. Native mythology from right here in North America refers to it as the "watery chaos, a time of destruction and rebirth". This suggests that a global flood of some kind did happen but immediately one has to ask how we in fact know about it on this side of the planet? Think about the circular logic that you must use to actually believe the story of Noah. Your so described omnipotent creator has such little influence over his creations that he has to blow it up and start over? Then the physical impossiblity of collecting two of each species: even if they were only the ancestors of all of the earth's species, as your self serving manipulation of the story suggests, would still make the boat Noah used bigger than an aircraft carrier. All with food logistics and the labour to care for the animals beyond what just two people could possibly undertake. Then to top it off this story suggests that our species was fostered by incest. Mind you, that may explain how a whopper such as the Noah story can be sold as fact to someone who can read, write and is able to use a computer.

This is the end of this line of "debate". I simply do not have time to refute a contention made by someone that a children's fable is factual. It's embarrassing to me that an adult cannot make these determinations themselves. Scary might be a better word.

posted by gomedome on August 19, 2005 at 9:55 AM | link to this | reply

story of Noah. Aside from the fable being physically impossible, it re-defines your God as a petty and vindictive phsychopath intent on retribution and vengeance. You also may want to read a bit more about the mutation of human genes before you begin suggesting that as a species we have not demonstrated any form of macro evolution.

You are very good at making bold claims with no backing evidence. How about proving that the "fable" is physically impossible? I know that you must create the illusion that God is sadistic, but the reality is man was so wicked in that time that he would have destroyed the earth completely. God had to wipe the slate clean and start over. Oh yea, guess who is still dominate in the news? Israel, just as the Bible predicted. :)

posted by thelongroad on August 19, 2005 at 8:41 AM | link to this | reply

thelongroad -- there isn't much one can say to someone who believes the

posted by gomedome on August 19, 2005 at 7:55 AM | link to this | reply

Using the earth's orbit as an example the way you do is simply a reversal of cause and effect to suit your contention. Life evolved on Earth because of the environmental conditions that exist here but your brainwashing twists the obvious around to: environmental conditions were created here by God to allow life to evolve on Earth. Do a little research before you begin trying to tell us that the universe exists in a structured, designed manner and not in the chaotic state that I suggest. Exceptions hardly refute my contention. The Noah story is a good one. You begin to breach the founding principles of creationism by introducing evolution when it suits your argument. It becomes clear from reading this response and all others you have left in the past that you have developed 21st century faith. It isn't a real faith, it's the ability to convince yourself that inconsintancies in your contentions do not exist. The ability to reconcile the improbable with reality.

Nonense. It is proven fact that small changes do occur in species over time. It is NOT proven fact that man evolved from completely different species, and our forefather was a one celled organism. Macro evolution has never been observed or proved on this scale.

The Noah story offers a good explanation to the common question that atheists toss in the face of Christians. Of course, you would say it is silly, but you offer ZERO explanation as to why the explanation is not valid. Just more biased crap on your part.

posted by thelongroad on August 19, 2005 at 6:52 AM | link to this | reply

thelongroad -- let the entertainment continue

posted by gomedome on August 18, 2005 at 7:57 PM | link to this | reply

Weak Theories

You ignore the fact that most of the universe shows order, comformity, and predictable patterns, not random chaos. For example, the earth is the exact distant from the sun to substain life. Just a bit closer or farther from the sun, and we would either fry like an egg on August Texas pavement, or freeze like a fudge pop that don't melt.

The topic of evolution is too complex to fit in the framework of this blog, but it does offer an explanation as to how Noah fit so many species on the ark. He didn't. The countless species evolve later from their ancestors due to the careful machinations of God.