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I'm not really in this for the ratings, but thanks for getting my back.
I'll be back later with more arguements.
posted by
astromuffy
on August 17, 2005 at 8:31 AM
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elysiafields -- How in the heck did you derive this from what I said?
The word evolution implies that life is on an upward continum of organization, always improving itself, advancing.
How is that wrong? ......where did anyone suggest there was something wrong with evolution? The point is that if there trully was an intelligent designer of the universe capable of creating the complexities of living organisms, you would think that the final design would be unveiled at the outset. Not the ever developing prototype left to survive or die in the chaos of the universe. This evolution alone suggests that forces other than a specific design intent are responsible for us being here.
An unrelated note: As much as I appreciate your articulate and detailed comments you should think in practical terms. You have put more effort into these comments than many people put into their posts. Don't be afraid to refute in a post of your own. Ultimately we both get a lot more mileage out of it in terms of blog rankings.
posted by
gomedome
on August 17, 2005 at 6:45 AM
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elysiafields -- this last point seems to have sailed right over your head
The concept of intelligent design almost invariably looks exclusively to the microscopic world to use the complexity of living organisms to illustrate that these intracacies must have been planned. All of the time ignoring the macro world of solar systems and galaxies that are in a constant state of random chaos. Did this imaginary creator design all of the living organisms but neglect to instill the same order into their habitat?
posted by
gomedome
on August 17, 2005 at 6:16 AM
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"The God I'm proposing is a God of love. He loves what he does." ...probably the best refutation of the old and tired intelligent design contention that I have ever seen......how you ask? Simply, if the entire universe was created by a supreme being he would be one sick entity lacking in any form of real creativity. This being obviously has a hurtling rock fetish and gets an enormous kick out of spheres of flaming gasses.
This is your arugment against intelligent design? It does nothing to disprove this tired, old postulation - you seem to get a kick out of flaming gasses yourself...
The fact that there are seemingly destructive forces in the universe, and the fact that intertia can be observed, dosn't disprove that there is an intention, design, and drive toward life, and that exists beyond, and in spite of human beings.
Ultimately, before I pack this in, I'm just trying to make one point.
Wether or not an intelligent, supreme being exists, physics exists.
And the more closely we observe, and apply the laws of physics, and subsets of laws generated under the auspices of physics, the more we can advance and progress as human beings.
But, it doesn't appear as if anyone of us is smart enough to recognise our true master - and the sad result is burgeoning chaos, and cultural decline.
posted by
astromuffy
on August 16, 2005 at 10:52 PM
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we are only at the beginning of comprehension of the physical universe.
Our comprehenstion of the physical universe changes, but physical laws don't change, yet within these laws, ever changing life...
posted by
astromuffy
on August 16, 2005 at 10:39 PM
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He or it can't seem to get it right either as even the very cornerstones of life are in a constant state of evolution.
The word evolution implies that life is on an upward continum of orgainzation, always improving itself, advancing.
How is that wrong?
posted by
astromuffy
on August 16, 2005 at 10:37 PM
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elysiafields - This statement is a classic and holds a bit of irony
"The God I'm proposing is a God of love. He loves what he does." ...probably the best refutation of the old and tired intelligent design contention that I have ever seen......how you ask? Simply, if the entire universe was created by a supreme being he would be one sick entity lacking in any form of real creativity. This being obviously has a hurtling rock fetish and gets an enormous kick out of spheres of flaming gasses. He or it can't seem to get it right either as even the very cornerstones of life are in a constant state of evolution. Then if all of these things aren't enough to give a thinking person some pause as to how ludicrous the notion is of an entity creating the vastness of the universe is, we are then treated to countless duplication of solar systems as far as we can possibly see or measure. Some day we will abandon this foolish line of thought as we realize that we are only at the beginning of comprehension of the physical universe. Or we could carry on manufacturing invisible creatures to explain what we don't understand as we have always done. This type of blog isn't aimed at anyone in particular nor any specific audience. If anything it is an organization of thoughts and proof positive that I need a life.
posted by
gomedome
on August 16, 2005 at 10:19 PM
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Finally, I read the part about getting lost.
I can do that.
I just have two questions.
Do you make these proposals for a passive, silent audience?
Or do you make these proposals, with the expection that only people who agree with you respond?
I don't know why I want to wrangle with you.
I just do.
I need to get out more.
Maybe You'll read about that in my blog.
posted by
astromuffy
on August 16, 2005 at 9:02 PM
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I will not or cannot believe that religious belief holds any form of solution for mankind.
It depends on what you mean by religion. We all practice religion wether we know it or not. And if we don't choose our religion, our religion chooses us.
posted by
astromuffy
on August 16, 2005 at 8:59 PM
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I will not or cannot believe that a so called supreme being needs to be worshipped.
The supreme being dosn't need to be worshipped. We need to worship the supreme being.
posted by
astromuffy
on August 16, 2005 at 8:55 PM
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I will not or cannot believe that there is such a thing as a God of love.
The God I'm proposing is a God of love. He loves what he does.
posted by
astromuffy
on August 16, 2005 at 8:52 PM
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I will not or cannot believe that the existence of this universe is the result of a willful decision by a conscious entity.
Extremely high levels of organization exhibited by every aspect of physics that we can observe, provides overwhelming, if not circumstancial evidence of a deliberate intelligence.
One would wonder why a supreme intelligence might deliberate over these matters.
I think its for pleasure.
posted by
astromuffy
on August 16, 2005 at 8:50 PM
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