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Where's your damn post?
Post damn it....
posted by
astromuffy
on August 16, 2005 at 6:31 PM
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I Love PatB's comment.
posted by
Hemlocker
on August 16, 2005 at 3:23 PM
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Xeno-x -- the sad part about this story is that it is more or less true
Aside from my minor artistic revisionism, there was a small village such as this near where I lived with only old ladies as it's inhabitants. The year was 1967 and this state of affairs came about because all of their men had been destroyed in the previous decades by the residential school system. Either directly as young boys or later on in their lives via the residual effects of their treatment while within the system. These schools intent on indoctrinating an entire culture left this as it's legacy. Originally the indoctrinization was only for boys. When these type of scenarios became known and a number of villages had none or very few men, the authorities with their heads tucked firmly up their asses provided what they thought was a surefire solution. "Hey let's start indoctrinating the girls as well"... It was for their own good after all.
posted by
gomedome
on August 16, 2005 at 2:10 PM
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still at work today
my god is better than your god
it's the biggest and badest that win out, thus become the supreme being.
yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil
cuz I'm the biggest & meanest S.O.B. in the valley.
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 16, 2005 at 1:46 PM
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Pat_B -- I completely agree -- when is it finally going to sink in with
these people that trying to spread a hypocritical message of love for all while insisting that the recipients of their "love" support a delusion of some invisible sky daddy isn't going to work? It never has worked throughout history and serves today to only make the world a more divisive community.
posted by
gomedome
on August 16, 2005 at 12:42 PM
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there's no word in the native language
for genocide. Or so I've been taught. I'm thinking you've already heard of Howard Zinn and read his "People's History of the United States." It's a wake-up call and a disturbing look at what really makes us tick (tic).
The "good" intentions that paved the road to hell for indigenous peoples were clearly misguided. I used to think "church" people of a particular denomination who insisted on recruiting everyone to their view were arrogant, even rude. Now I think they're also ignorant and socially retarded. They, like a frog in the well, think the sky is that small circle they see from the depths. There's nothing in their limited view of what's on the horizon, or out there among the stars, and they can't smell the philosophical flowers that bloom nearby.
posted by
Pat_B
on August 16, 2005 at 11:14 AM
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And to cap it all off, they missed out on developing CALIFORNIA!!
oops.
posted by
majroj
on August 16, 2005 at 5:29 AM
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majroj -- that about sums it all up -- in the end the political powers
leave the pawns to starve, beg and die. Even using an example from such a long time ago we can still see the prevailing attitudes that were at work still existing today.
posted by
gomedome
on August 15, 2005 at 8:26 PM
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The Spanish and the HRC sort of tried that in tandem in California.
California was too far away, there were hostile natives in the south and here and there, there was no attraction in California (in the early 1700's). BUT...the Russians were coming, the English were cruising around, so they wanted to set up a colony. Trouble was, no colonists.
Enter the Holy Roman Church, looking for souls and power.
So, the big plan was this...as many Spanish colonists as could be persuaded to come, plus Spanish garrisons, and Catholic missionaries, would set out into the wilderness, set up self-sufficient missions, recruit and convert native "Indians", demark and defend the King's Road ("El CAmino Real"), sort of a pre-American Interstate 5.
End result: the natives didn't convert, they died in droves, they had to be kidnapped and corralled, their villages were decimated and their way of life destroyed... then the Spanish took the missions away from the Church, then the Mexicans took the missions over when the Spanish left, then they sold them off to the most corrupt bidder and left the natives to starve, beg, and die.
posted by
majroj
on August 15, 2005 at 8:18 PM
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sad.
posted by
WhiteJedi
on August 15, 2005 at 10:23 AM
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Vibrance -- you could appreciate this
Find Fort Severn on the West coast of Hudsons Bay, now travel a good 2 hours into the bush towards the Manitoba border. That would be 2 hours via dogsled. This was prime fur trapping area at one time.
posted by
gomedome
on August 15, 2005 at 8:44 AM
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lost here.
Where is this narration taking place besides the woods? Love, Vib
posted by
Vibrance
on August 15, 2005 at 8:25 AM
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