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The person who said to you that...
you have absolutely NO proof to show that Satan is a mere invention...
must not be aware that you can't prove a negative. Duh!
posted by
bettyboop1967
on August 11, 2005 at 9:56 PM
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kinda goes back to
the post you wrote about Fredo, Binky and Lenny. The trillion dollar scam.
Hilarious.
posted by
calmcantey75
on August 11, 2005 at 6:26 PM
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cantey_1975 --- yep, it is brilliant, an absolutely perfect way to control
the ignorant masses. Anyone who steps out of line is working for him. If you deny his existence you are working for him. Anything at all that was considered abnormal behaviour meant that you were working for him. With all of these offences punishable by death at one time, is it any wonder that this closed loop concept has survived to this day?
posted by
gomedome
on August 11, 2005 at 5:51 PM
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elysia
Satan clearly derives from humankind's eternal need to blame someone else ; and who better to blame than one who isn't armed with a mammoth-bone club?
posted by
ariel70
on August 11, 2005 at 12:10 PM
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elysia
correction ad sum of course.
How is it in those Elysian fields right now?
posted by
ariel70
on August 11, 2005 at 12:08 PM
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elysia
As one who was brought up a Catholic, steeped in the mystery and the magic of the Latin of the Tridentine Mass ( now about to be reintroduced, one hears ) I feel that it's a great pity that Latin isn't still taught in all but a few public schools and seminaries.
But struggling to learn Spanish at my age, I can see why it this is so. English is so much more flexible, isn't it? There's none of that amo amor, amat, a monk, a mink, a minibus in English.
Caesar ( Kaiser ) ad erat for te,
Brutus as sum jam,
Caesar sic in omnibus,
Brutus sic in tram.
posted by
ariel70
on August 11, 2005 at 12:06 PM
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correction
Jesus is referred to as 'the bright and morning star'.
In a sense, the catholics have resurrected the dead language, and the fallen lucifer....
Should I stop now?
posted by
astromuffy
on August 11, 2005 at 12:02 PM
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a final thought
In revelations, (sorry, I don't have a bible handy, it's in storage with the rest of my stuff), Jesus is referred to as bright and morning star.
Catholism embraced Latin as a language of devotion and sacraments to a Christian God...
Man this just gets better and better...
posted by
astromuffy
on August 11, 2005 at 12:00 PM
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"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
So how did the name Lucifer become that which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?
The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language?
Wow, astute! Thanks for sharing what you dug up.
I find it interesting that Latin is a dead language.
Language exerts a great deal of power over a people and is the building block of religious and political rule.
The biblical Lucifer is esteemed as a very clever guy.
One of the distinguishing characteristics of the learned, is their knowledge of latin.
Just a few observations...
posted by
astromuffy
on August 11, 2005 at 11:49 AM
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Satan?
Christianity has demonized lucifer.
If we look at Christianity as a myth, then we can compare it with other myths, that once enjoyed the status of religion.
Rome had declared itself God.
Zues ruled supreme in the Greek pantheon
Amazingly Rome stands with one foot in Christianity, and the other in Greek Mythology.
When the Roman Empire ascended into the sky, Greek mythology enjoyed lavish accomodation in the Roman court.
It's a marvelous historical example of a happy and peaceful transition from one era to the next.
The Titans, and Olympians didn't fare so well.
Zues captured the Titan kingdom and cast it into the bowls of the underworld.
A new god, new kingdom, new sky.
New race, new culture, new rules.
A xenophopic pantheon that favored demonizing anything that linked them with a dark, and murky past...
History will show that, as cultures change, or are appropriateed by another, the new culture will either amalgomate with the old, or in the latter case, destroy the old kingdom, (government, tribal chieftan, whatever), demonize thier religious icons, and force their knees to bend to the new god.
We have been creating many versions of satan in the psyche of western civilization for 10,000 years or more.
And it's here, in the individual, as well as the collective psyche, that the spirit of 'Satan' is alive and well.
Elysia
posted by
astromuffy
on August 11, 2005 at 11:28 AM
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you have to marvel at the brilliance of the scheme. Inventing a creature who operates in secracy and his primary weapon is to convince the world he does not exist. Something to ponder to be sure.
someone somewhere is pretty smart. Considdring all the hullaballoo that surrounds this controversial figure.
posted by
calmcantey75
on August 11, 2005 at 10:19 AM
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