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The problem is that most "believers" (I'm including all religions here), view those outside their faith as a challenge. Somehow they must save this poor, ignorant unbeliever. Their attitude is one of trying to convert the unbeliever. I know. I used to have the same attitude as a Mormon. I too am fustrated with the misconception of non-believers believing in nothing. Many nonbelievers (such as Universalists and Deists) chose to replace belief in divine mysticism with reliance on reason, logic and a reverence for nature itself. Thanks for the read. And thanks for reading my posts.
posted by
WhiteJedi
on August 15, 2005 at 11:06 AM
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ariel70
That was a great example.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 13, 2005 at 7:01 PM
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kooka
This believers/non believers thing is a bit like the situation with vegetarians ( believers ) and meat eaters ( non believers ) isn't it?
You invite a vegetarian friend to dinner, and you go to a lot of trouble to make a vegetarian meal ; but when you visit them, they don't cook you a steak.
In other words, you respect my beliefs, but don't expect me to respect yours. Same thing in a secular context
posted by
ariel70
on August 13, 2005 at 3:49 PM
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this oughta be a post
find out about believers?
which believers?
there are so many Christian denominations and sects that it would take thousands of people whole lifetimes to find out -- but not everything -- about "believers"
and then there are believers who believe other believers are not believers after all and that true believers truly believe
but who are these true believers?
and why?
does anybody see the difficulty there?
isn't it better maybe not to believe? you don't have so many choices. just don't believe
because if you even start to try to believe -- then you have the dilemna of the above mentioned discourse on belief -- which out of thousands is the true belief?
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 13, 2005 at 3:39 PM
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Hemlocker
That seems to be the general attitude among the nonbelievers, but believers refuse to believe that. You can see that here in the comments. By pointing out what I see as the flaws in belief and by bring up possibilities I am somehow showing hate for those beliefs as well as disrespect. Somehow it is considered by them more respectful to make things up and not be truthful.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 12, 2005 at 12:34 PM
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Rev
I, "unbeliever" that I am, have no prejudices for or against any religious cult. Hemlocker
posted by
Hemlocker
on August 12, 2005 at 9:30 AM
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homegirl
Your comment of course does not work in any way. The post would make no sense at all by switching around the clear meanings of the terms 'believers' and non-believers'.
Did you read the post or just the headline?
The idea of the post said that believer needs to stop making uninformed judgment of non-believers. It focused on the idea of actually being aware of just what non-believers are like and not really talking about the tolerance idea.
Although I have always agreed that all need to be tolerant of each other and show respect and I still as an atheist shown almost not tolerance or respect by believers, while I do show them both tolerance and respect. It seems they often are confused as to just what those qualities are and keep claiming I am doing no such thing.
Maybe that will be one of my next posts here.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 12, 2005 at 7:40 AM
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ummm who is the believer and who is the unbeliever
One could say that anti-christians are the Believers (they believe christians are idoits) and the Christians are non-believers... ( they can't see that they are obviously deluded)
So who should be tolerant of whom??? It goes both ways!
posted by
homegirl
on August 11, 2005 at 10:53 PM
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kooka_lives -- I have to agree with you on this one
Considering that most believers routinely speak of non-believers as being in league with Satan and having no morals etc. etc. it is almost laughable that they would suggest that they even warrant respect. This double standard is the single biggest reason why suhc an antiquated message that barely makes sense has managed to perpetuate itself for so long. You can't speak of truthful observations but they can say anything they please.
posted by
gomedome
on August 10, 2005 at 8:43 PM
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make2short
Okay, so when I say I openly respect all beliefs equally I am showing prejudice?
When do I not show respect. I would be showing less respect for beliefs by not being honest and not presenting the way I see things. Just because you may not like what I say does not mean it is disrespectful. I can promise you I show a great deal more respect to believers than believer show to non-believers, of this there is no doubt.
And also, I know a good deal about believers. In fact is it not hard to learn about believers, they are every where. Find me a post where I show I do not know about believers.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 10, 2005 at 4:49 PM
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I agree that believers
need to learn about non-believers, but the same could be said for you. Some non believers seem genuinely interested in learning about the beliefs of others, but generally i have only seen prejudice on your part. I think that if you want respect from others you need to show respect. i have not seen much of it from your column.
posted by
Make2short
on August 10, 2005 at 4:42 PM
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