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Offbeatpub
That was a good question because it very much help to show that Conservatives are really clueless as to what is happening the world around them. It shows a blindness that is really part of the greater problem that is making it so Conservatives can justify their BS.
Most Conservatives seem to have no clue what damage is being done to the country by the Conservatives in power and are in denial over what is really happening.
It is a good question because is just helps to show the self imposed ignorance and true lack of free thought that is part of the Conservative mindset.
I could not have asked for a better way to help show my point than to have a Conservative write just with he wrote.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 2, 2005 at 2:55 PM
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Twodog
Your level of ignorance is amazing at times. I would love to know what logic you are using to back up your claim that most of the country is Conservative. If it is because Bush won (By such a small and margin that is really proves that neither side has a true majority) , then you have shown yourself to be truly ignorant. All that means is that the majority of the country that got out and voted for president voted Conservative this last time (Which I can only figure to have been some kind of massive brain damage that seems to be healing right now, so there is hope). Of course it seems as though every time I turn around I find yet another person who thinks that they made a huge mistake in voting for Bush. Even the ones who really had some serious problems with Kerry are finding that now they see Bush as being a much worse choice. Everything I am seeing says the Country is actually very liberal right now, it is just the Democrats have not presented a good candidate. Of course the Democrat’s are really no better than the Republicans. Our only true hope for ten future of our country is for third party candidates to come into power all across the country, especially in the position of Preside, and start making the real changes that are needed. But, there is nothing at all to backup your claim of the country being mostly conservative.
I would also like to point out that at no point have I blamed everything on the Conservatives. There are things outside of their power, no matter how much they wish to control ever aspect of our lives. I do blame Conservative thinking for the sate of our economy, that is obvious beyond obvious. I also blame Conservative for defending Big Business as they basically are trying to create a society where the average man is treated as a slave, with nothing close to fair pay for their work.
It is also very obvious to anyone able to think for themselves (Non-Conservatives) that Conservative thinking is about as Anti-Family as it gets. Since family deals with individuals and not with screwing each other over in order to make money. Family is not about short term gain at eh expense for the future and so Conservatives are greatly puzzled as to just what family values really are.
No, Conservatives can not be blamed for all the problems we are seeing, but they are a large part of the problem and are very much a driving force that is bringing the country down and destroying the future of America.
As for your final question, I live in the United States of America, where people are suppose to matter and be important. Where the ideas of freedom, liberty and democracy are suppose to be strong. A country where it does not matter who is considered the majority, because each and every minority has the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A country where the people, not Big Business are suppose to be in control.
A country where right now the party in power cares not for any of that, but instead find justifications to take away people’s freedoms and liberty and to allow Big business to be in control, as it slowly destroys the foundation of the country. A country where because of our president being too busy trying to make himself look good to the rest of the world after his great mistake of starting a personal war that he is not doing one positive thing to help the country out and is just ignoring the needs of ten people.
I still have the challenge out there, name one thing, just one thing Bush has done that is actually beneficial to the country. I cna not think of a one myself. But I can make a huge list of what he has done that has greatly hurt the country. It is amazing that one man cna make so many mistakes and still have people defending him.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 2, 2005 at 2:55 PM
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Two Dog
Good question..if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny.
posted by
Offy
on August 2, 2005 at 8:27 AM
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twodog
conservatives have helped to give us sweatshops, tenement slums, low pay and several recessions plus the Great Depression.
liberals have, responding to labor's concerns, given us better wages, working conditions, safer workplaces, the 40 hour week (rather than the 80), vacations, a safety net for the elderly in the form of Social Security, and the prosperity of the 50's and 60's and all the affluence since.
wonder what choice you would make were you a regular working person?
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 2, 2005 at 8:25 AM
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kooka_lives
Let me see, conservitives, the majority in the United States, are only concerned with the destruction of the family, and, enslaving everybody. Everything wrong in this country is the fault of the conservites, the majority in this country. All the woes of humanity can be traced directly to the conservitives, the majority in this country.
Exactly what country are you living in?
posted by
twodog
on August 1, 2005 at 8:17 PM
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mhw
So you are saying because family were not being allowed to be families in the past, that is somehow justifies not allowing people to be families now?
Just helps to show that despite all the BS Conservatives spit out about 'Family Values' they really have no clue what that means and should be all about.
I very much believe in working hard and I do work hard. I was out of job for about half of last year and it drove me crazy. I have integrity and was not liking that I was not providing for my family. You insult the idea of the American family here. But then again all that he lower and middle class are good for in your eyes is a slave like work force. No need to allow them a chance to enjoy life or spend time with their families. that would only be the human thing to do, which is very much against Conservative ideas.
You need to understand people need to work to get by. I have no problem with that and I have made a lot of sacrifices in order to be abel to support my family at the level we live at. But when every time I turn around it is getting harder to do that because the cost of living is increasing while no one is willing to pay fair wages, then there is a problem. Big Business is digging its own grave by doing this, but is too blind with greed to see the truth.
Why do you want to see the country take a step back in this way? For that is what you are pushing here. Give up on the family. Go to work with every waking hour of your life. Get stressed out by the age of forty and die, without every having the chance to really enjoy life I am lost as to why that is something you wish to promote.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 1, 2005 at 6:57 PM
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Xeno-x, I got my first job when I was only 8 years old, right after my
father died suddenly. And I have been working six and seven days a week ever since. And perhaps you missed what I wrote in another comment: I worked two full-time jobs at the same time for nearly 20 years. And I was always glad that I had those two jobs.
Also, people do not have to work long hours for little pay if they do not desire to do so. They always have the option of kicking back and being cared for by "The State."
There is absolutely nothing wrong with folks working long hours and holding down two or more jobs if they have to.
This is not Heaven that we live in, it is the world. And the world is a tough place in which to survive and advance.
The only kinds of people who make attempts to transform the earth into Heaven are communists and socialists.
posted by
Feenix
on August 1, 2005 at 6:36 PM
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Kooka, it was just a few decades ago when parents started spending a lot
of time with their children. Up until about the 1940s, for instance, a very sizable number of Americans lived on farms, and farm work usually keeps fathers -- and mothers, in many cases -- away from their children from sun up to sun down.
And there were all of the fathers who served in the military in World War II which caused many of them to be absent from their wives and kids for months and/or years at a time.
Also in the 1940s and before, the work week for many heads of household was Monday thru Saturday, not Monday thru Friday.
Furthermore, so what if a lot of people are stuggling to make ends meet?
That has been an unavoidable reality among the majority human beings ever since the beginning of time. That's the way it goes in life, my man.
Finally, if you want to spend a lot more time with your children than you do, there is a way you can accomplish that. Quit your job and go on welfare.
posted by
Feenix
on August 1, 2005 at 6:23 PM
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spelled your name wrong mighty holey
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 1, 2005 at 6:16 PM
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love you mighty holy
people are debt because the gov and business needs to fuel a fake economy through people spending money that they don't have
but yet -- you don't realize -- we're returning to the 19th century where people have to work long hours at low pay just to make ends meet -- both parents have to have jobs -- the kids have to have jobs.
you must not be a regular working person -- if you were you'd know.
posted by
Xeno-x
on August 1, 2005 at 6:15 PM
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mhw
Well I believe in the family and being part of a family and the whole family value things and you do not get that when any parents is working more than one job. In fact ti is insulting towards the whole of the country that anyone should have to work more than one job to get by.
I know many who are deeply in debt because they are just trying to pay the bills and live life. They are not buying all the expensive stuff, but are just trying to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table.
The truth is that most companies would actually be better off in the long run if they lowered prices and raised employee pay. But by doing that you allow people to get caught up and they are going to be less likely to be a salve to the system.
People should be able to get at least caught up by working a 40 hour a week job. That should not be must to ask for. But the basic greed of Big Business gets in the way and keeps people down, all the while causing their own downfall by only being concerned with short term profit and not really seeing the big picture.
It is proven that the economy does its best when the lower and middle class have extra money to spend. The more the money is allowed to circulate the healthy things are.
As family man who does not get to spend any where near enough time with his kids because he is working just one job, I find everything you say here to be of great insult. My family is important to me and I am not going to let my boys forget they have a father. I know you and other conservatives care not about the individuals or the true family unit. You keep pushing for justifiable slavery and it is sick and un-American.
Does freedom really mean that little to you?
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 1, 2005 at 5:30 PM
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Kooka, where were you indoctrinated...I mean, er, educated? In Havana? In
Hanoi? In Pyongyang? In Beiging?
And look, buddy, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a person working two more of more jobs. In fact, I, myself, worked two-full jobs at the same time for nearly 20 years. And the reason why I did so was because I wanted to succeed in life and get ahead.
And no one in history has ever gotten ahead by merely working 9-to-5, Monday through Friday.
Did the likes of Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Jr., Jonas Salk, Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, Madame Currie, Andrew Carnegie, and the Wright Brothers work only 40 hours a week?
Hell no! Each of those giants damned near worked 24-7.
And the primary reason why a large number of Americans are so deeply in debt is many are living way over their heads, doing such things as purchasing sprawling houses in upscale suburbs instead of what they can afford, nice Cape Cods in working-class areas; buying big-screen TVs and gigantic "entertainment centers"; picking out $200 sneakers for themselves and their children; taking vacations to island paradises and going on ski trips to mountain resorts; driving big gas-guzzling Cherokees and Escalades, and I could go on.
posted by
Feenix
on August 1, 2005 at 5:17 PM
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kooka lives -
I enjoyed your post. I do not think it is "just" conservatives who are behind this. I learned this a bit late in life, but, you must train yourself to think differently to get ahead in this world. It is very difficult at times, but it really works.
posted by
dejtemper
on August 1, 2005 at 5:08 PM
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