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Hemlocker,

posted by Glennb on July 20, 2005 at 3:53 PM | link to this | reply

Benny-the-Door,

They have extended the distance to 60,000 feet and 8,000 miles! Tell me where is humanity going with that insanity? Give a man that much juice and he will use it! 

posted by Glennb on July 20, 2005 at 3:35 PM | link to this | reply

Lensmen,

posted by Glennb on July 20, 2005 at 3:32 PM | link to this | reply

End of the Earther,

If it is hatred that is interpreted in my words it is because of the reader! I firmly accept that there are people who hate based on "color" of a person's skin! The other strains on a person's well being can be ignored and tolerated (Religion, Gender, etc.). I can exclude myself from that insanity! I hope that your writing is not as superficial as most and reflect the real human condition of "modern" man. If not it will just be another book!

posted by Glennb on July 20, 2005 at 3:25 PM | link to this | reply

Hemlocker,

That you chose in your comment to revisit "the" case in American Jurisprudence that captured the evil of "White" male justice when dealing with the "legal" status of the Brown Race is very curious! Have things seriously changed since 1851? Is my point exactly! By the way I am not standing on the mountain looking at some utopic valley! Reality is George Bush and Dick Cheney "running" America plantation style. White folk can enjoy the ride, but I am not getting on this one!

posted by Glennb on July 20, 2005 at 3:11 PM | link to this | reply

Lensman,

Any Nation of "free men" who allows itself to be governed by the tyranny of a few is doomed to failure! Even America!

posted by Glennb on July 20, 2005 at 2:53 PM | link to this | reply

Good post. Bomber Harris of the RAF once said of arial warfare

"You can't get a young soldier to bayonet the belly of a pregnant peasant girl...but he'll do it worse from 10,000 feet."

I do however believe that Iraq IS a magnet for terrorists (or insurgents).  The occupation has an ideological draw that many are taking up which is making the world a far more dangerous place.  the CIA believe thousands of the most sophisticated and professional terrorists are being trained now in Iraq that will be unemployed when we eventually leave. A safer world?

posted by Benny-the-door on July 20, 2005 at 1:01 PM | link to this | reply

I don't know

if it's hatred as much as it's anger or frustration on both sides.  Each person who has an opinion is coming from a direction based on personal experience or personal information, and so feels it has more validity than the other's.  If each person feels equally strongly, that's when the frustration builds, because there's no solution.  It would be nice to meet in the middle somewhere, but.....

posted by Lensman on July 20, 2005 at 12:53 PM | link to this | reply

But don't get me wrong

.....I do enjoy the reading. Its just the hostility I guess.

posted by Ends_of_the_Earther on July 20, 2005 at 12:08 PM | link to this | reply

Such hatred

Wow!  Not draw fire here but though my blog showcases the reasons I ran away from the world and spent three years at sea circumnavigating the globe plus hiding away in the less frequented places on the planet away from the mainstream, this exchange is undoubtedly another good reason I should discuss. The book is contracted for publishing in late 2006 and I am using my blog to fill in the empty spaces that are not yet written.  I didn't touch on man's hatred of one another on its pages or upon politics as a motivator for seeking relative solitude despite having been an aide to a current state lt. governor and a daily newspaper reporter.  However, this is anothr very good reason to seek an idealistic life style, away from the killing, the hatred, and the ugly face of politics. However, it is good to be able to express our thoughts without fear. 

posted by Ends_of_the_Earther on July 20, 2005 at 12:01 PM | link to this | reply

glennb

When I read twodog's original comment, I wanted to congratulate you. You have succeeded in drawing him out of his generally tolerant debater's mode, and getting him to say what he really thinks. Yes, there are places where you'd be strung up by the balls for saying what you say, but does that mean we should turn our faces from injustice and hatred because it is worse somewhere else? We are the good guys so they have to be the bad guys in every possible way. They do evil things, so we have to be incapable of evil. They kill indiscriminately and behead captives. We don't do anything that bad--although I've heard that a number close to one hundred of our prisoners have died in our custody. But of course that's just some propaganda of people who hate America. Then there are the nearly 25,000 Iraqis, most of them innocent civilians, who have died for the sins of others--including George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and on and on and on. I wish patriots like twodog could tell the difference between the country and the people we love, and the governments and politicians who do bad things in our name, and have us so propagandized that we are only too ready to defend the way they lead us as "America." It is not! When Chief Justice Roger Taney defended "the law of the land" in the 1851 Dred Scott decision, he said, "the black man has no rights the white man is bound to respect." (and by the way, the same was true for Indians, though they made poor slaves because they died too quickly in captivity). And he also said that since blacks were property, a man could not be charged with a crime for chastizing his property. In that time there were fierce abolitionists who talked about that situation--slavery and its apologists--the way you talk today. And there were people, the great majority of the people, in fact, who were like twodog is today, defending everything our government did because we were Americans, God damn it, and we were the good guys! You may not be as articulate as Frederick Douglass, and I may not agree with everything you say; I'm not even certain I would defend to the death your right to say it; but people like you are needed in every society, to fight complacency and selective blindness. I hope you will never allow yourself to be intimidated into silence. Hemlocker

posted by Hemlocker on July 20, 2005 at 11:38 AM | link to this | reply

Well, glenn,

I came back to your blog today because I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment. Of course you are right again, but I wish, maybe if you had another blog where you did something else, maybe in arts and entertainment, or poetry. Nevertheless, I will keep you on my favorites. I don't really "enjoy" reading you, but having you to read helps me to not forget how many people in our world are suffering needlessly and how many morons are leading us. There is also a holocaust being carried out against animals in this country and world-wide, but I just don't know if I could handle writing regularly about something so tragic. I rationalize by telling myself others are already doing it better than I could. Hang in there, my friend. Hemlocker

posted by Hemlocker on July 20, 2005 at 11:07 AM | link to this | reply

TwoDog

Thanks for reminding me about Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and how the sports stadiums of North America would be used for a whole new purpose if things were to turn in a certain direction.  That's a thought that may seem far-fetched to some, but history says stranger things have happened

posted by Lensman on July 20, 2005 at 11:05 AM | link to this | reply

Twodog,

Are you threatening me? You can hide behind the computer terminal "big shit"! But please confine your comments to the subject matter ass-hole! I will say it again: You are not talking to someone who does "not" give a damn! Again, lose the threats! 

posted by Glennb on July 20, 2005 at 10:49 AM | link to this | reply

Glennb

Tell you what there, Glennb, spend some time inside your ideal society, you know, somewhere like Saddam's Iraq, and try to write your kind of critisism of that leader and that government, and see how long you last. I'd bet you might find yourself on your way down from the top floor, or on the chopping block, or the victim of a hanging, or a bullet to the back of your head.

Only free societies allow uninformed, ignorant, hate filled rhetoric like yours. Be careful what you wish for, dude, you just might get it, and then your freedom of speach will stop at the end of a rope.

posted by twodog on July 20, 2005 at 7:36 AM | link to this | reply