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Sorry, you're right my analogy was not good. But I do agree with what you're saying. Guess I flew through it too quickly. . . .

posted by JanesOpinion on July 12, 2005 at 4:09 PM | link to this | reply

JanesOpinion -- believe it or not you do not agree with what I am saying

Or at least you underscore the pitfalls in any draconian measures that may be needed to accomplish meaningful advances in the war on terror. I am suggesting that more pressure is brought to bare on the Moslem community to police their own. We must demonstrate that we will no longer tolerate any form of demonstrated sympathy with terrorists. What you are saying is completely different, there is no parrallel with hate crime legislation, as you try to use it as an analogy, you immediately draw your own agenda into it. For example: do you actually believe this statement to be true?: " For some reason, the hate crimes that are on the books, at least in this country, were designed to imprison those Christians who speak out against the lifestyle of homosexuals." Designed by whom? Are all of your lawmakers now anti-christian gays?

This post was about treating people that declare themselves as enemies of the state as just that by using existing legislation. Also insisting that the Moslem community both domestically and abroad be held more accountable for terrorist groups that for the most part are if not sanctioned by so called moderates, are at least alowed to operate inside their communities without impunity.

posted by gomedome on July 11, 2005 at 9:05 PM | link to this | reply

Believe it or not, I would concur.

We should round up the bastards and charge them with treason, as you so adroitly stated. Anyone who preaches that sort of hate should not live in freedom. For some reason, the hate crimes that are on the books, at least in this country, were designed to imprison those Christians who speak out against the lifestyle of homosexuals. As far as I'm concerned, that's free speech -- unless the Christian is making statements such as "kill the fags; they deserve to burn in hell." That sort of statement is hateful and wrong and deserving of punishment. It's one thing to speak up and disagree over the lifestyle, it's altogether another beast to condemn a homosexual to hell because of his lifestyle. Anyway, I digress. My correlation is that it seems we are too quick to imprison people who speak out against homosexual lifestyle, while at the same time bend over backwards to be lenient towards these monsters who preach inflammatory pro-terrorist life destroying remarks to their mosque on a daily basis and completely get away with it -- thanks to the wonderful freedom of speech we enjoy.

I suppose one could argue the slippery slope -- the gradual erosion of free speech; however, it seems evident to me that if a person preaches to others in favor of death and murder of innocents, that he himself should be locked up and the key thrown away.

posted by JanesOpinion on July 11, 2005 at 5:34 PM | link to this | reply

One aspect where our perspective tints our perceptions...

there is no "Islam" as there is, say, a "Roman Catholic Church". No plenipotent Head Imam to tell everyone what should be done and how to do it. Or what to stop on pain of excommunication.

If you rat out a fellow Muslim to the Crusaders, you not only have broken with the one bond which ties sect with sect, but you are likely to get shot by a critical member of your or another sect.

Not to say that more than a tiny minority of the Muslim world engages in this, but it takes very few to establish a environment of fear and, as you say, just to turn our heads to allow hotheads to take over.

Like the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Brotherhood, La Cosa Nostra, the Jewish Defense League. One could go on and on.

Oh, yes. The Baath Party. And the Nazionalsocialist Party too.

posted by majroj on July 9, 2005 at 10:33 PM | link to this | reply

gome

I perceived no rant at all, but the end surprised me. Until then I felt much wisdom and willingness to learn and share coming from you, and encourage others to do the same. I too have strong feelings about so-called clerics, especially those living on this soil, teaching their students to hate. How much of that is actually happening here, or does it just seem expanded by the media, giving the impression that it is more widespread? Hemlocker