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cantey 1975
Well, we can start off with the simple fact that as a child I did believe in all the religious, biblical BS because that was what I was being taught.
As I grew and learned about reality I saw that all it was was a bunch of mythological stories put together in a collection. One only need study the most basic ideas of mythology to see this. So then as I did resource on the religious concepts I would run across ideas that just make too much sense to be ignored.
So simply put I go with the ideas that are presented which make sense.
In truth these sources are truly just as valid as the Bible since there is really no way to provide any absolute proof since we are talking about thousands of years ago, except that the Bible makes no sense the way it is presented while the sources I follow make nothing but sense.
I don't think you really read that article then, if you think it presents nothing but the present idea of Satan. Go back and read about 'Satan the accuser' which is basically about what I have been claiming Satan to be. For while the author does talk about the present concept of Stan, he also goes through the evolution of the character. Don't just read the parts that work with you beliefs, read it all.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 24, 2005 at 7:04 AM
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"I have found many sources on the subjects that seem to agree with each other"
and what lends validity to these sources? Why is the author of these sources credible to you? How do you know they do not have an agenda of their own? And why is the Bile just have to be untrue and unreliable?
that website you gave me pretty much backs up the same figure ( satan) I have been exposing here for months. Therte are various interpretations of him, but they are generally the same.
My ultimate point here is: you need to apply the same standards of scrutiny and skepticism to your sources that inform you of the shifting sands of the Bible over the centuries that you apply to the Bible. It just might reveal an agenda( maybe by atheists or liars and Im not associating athiests with liars) to deceive you of the Bibles reliability of being original.
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calmcantey75
on June 23, 2005 at 6:59 PM
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"You would have to be able to step back, which you have already made very clear you are not capable of doing, and really look at what you are saying without the blindness of your beliefs to see just how scary it is.
It is scary because it is so absolute and so definite, without any true proof."
Proof? I have no proof. I never claimed it. I am capable of stepping back and looking at what I am saying without " blinders" which your term for " faith", I do that and decide that God invented all that is. That is faith: belief in absolutism. But that is not scary, I dont see the logic in that.
posted by
calmcantey75
on June 23, 2005 at 6:46 PM
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Also, you asked
"anything that claims the Bible has been changed and tampered and revamped by control freaks is valid and reliable?"
I would have to say such things are more reliable than the Bible itself. I have found many sources on the subjects that seem to agree with each other.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 23, 2005 at 6:35 PM
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cantey 1975
You believe in modern idea of Satan and not how the concept of Satan was in the original versions. This is something I keep finding more and more proof of, and it is just ignored by all. There was no Satan originally. It was a title or description used to talk about those who were adversarial, or is some cases a prosecutor against man appointed by God to make a point.
You very much follow the altered, Christian version of the Bible.
Go here is you really wish to gain some true information about all that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan
I also never said there was no God, just that if there is a God, it has to be limited. There can be no all-powerful God. An all-powerful being would somehow have to be able to create a item it can not lift, while at the same time being able to lift said item. Such a thing is beyond impossible and just is not going to happen. There has to be a limit to everything.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 23, 2005 at 6:32 PM
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cantey 1975
You would have to be able to step back, which you have already made very clear you are not capable of doing, and really look at what you are saying without the blindness of your beliefs to see just how scary it is.
It is scary because it is so absolute and so definite, without any true proof. It is scary because you say things such as "God invented biology and physics. He also invented mathematics." without proving any proof that God is able to do this, once more going back to the simple fact that I have proven that nothing can be all-powerful and such ideas are saying something can. I honestly believe there is a scientific explanation for everything, otherwise nothing makes sense and the whole of the universe truly does not matter. By saying that one needs to ignore science and such, just because it gets in the way, is a truly scary idea. You are saying just accept things without thinking about them because they feel right. Don't worry about growth or actually understanding. Your wisdom you claim to gain is most likely a false wisdom based on unproven ideas, if it based off of Biblical teachings.
As for how you 'communicate with Him and have relationship'. Well you might be crazy, I would not discredit that right off the back. But more than likely it is just the power of mind over matter. Because you believe, you create what you need in order to back up those beliefs. The mind itself does hold a lot of power over our own perception of things.
I read all things with an open mind, then I think about them and see their flaws. In fact I would be willing to bet I am one of the most open minded people here on Blogit. I will accept all beliefs as having equal relevance and value. I will look at all of them with equal respect given. I may not agree with them and I may think they are greatly flawed, but they will get equal respect from me.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 23, 2005 at 6:25 PM
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I still say you should be an atheist preacher.
claiming you have proof God does not exist. I would be shouting that from the rooftops in the service of freeing the minds of enslaved believers.
posted by
calmcantey75
on June 23, 2005 at 6:23 PM
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How do you know the Bible I believe is not the original text
what documents or info prove this and how do you know those documents are not fabricated? Why do you take them as Gospel, anything that claims the Bible has been changed and tampered and revamped by control freaks is valid and reliable?
posted by
calmcantey75
on June 23, 2005 at 6:15 PM
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"I have already proven God can not be all-powerful"
that is quite a remarkable statement. I will go back through your posts and find this proof.
I do not believe that I am wrong at all. As a matter of fact I am fully convinced God exists because I communicate with Him and have relationship, and I am not crazy.
how do you equate my remarks with being scary. Do I make threats, do I seem prone to violence? If you read my posts with an open mind you will see that I preach a God of peace, strength and love. My faith in God does nothing but give me strength and wisdon for living, and I make positive, healthy impacts on those that I meet and are intimate with. What is scary about that?
posted by
calmcantey75
on June 23, 2005 at 6:10 PM
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cantey 1975
I am not going to try to point out how wrong all that is, I'll just say it is wrong and scary.
The Bible you follow is way, way different from the way it was first written. If it was 'composed by the mind of God' then the version you are following was not, it was composed by the mind of man. But end then, if this is God's work, then it shows God to be greatly flawed.
I have already proven God can not be all-powerful, so most of what you said become irrelevant anyway. You statements is going off of the idea that God is all-powerful, and unless you have come up with a way he can create something he can not lift while being able to life that item at the same time, God is not all-powerful and has limits.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 23, 2005 at 5:58 PM
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The bible itself is also very much like the human biological system, as is the universe is like the human system like you pointed out. It functions by depending on catylysts and a seemingly infinate combinations of chemical reactions. One of the properties of life is emergant properties. The Bible again is the same way. If you look at the broken down parts individually you cannot see the bigger scheme and miss the higher truth, or higher law and function. God invented biology and physics. He also invented mathmatics. That is why he gave us intellect, so we could explore and figure out these wonders and experience His infinate creativity and genious and use them to better ourselves. The Bible on the other hand, is also composed by the mind of God ( like the universe) but it cannot be discoverd with the use of science and intellect like the others. This is simply because scientists are usually skeptics and spiritual laws and truths cannot be apprehended with science. The bible must be approached with an acknowledgement of God as God and a humble attitude before it can be understood. Otherwise is is just a bunch of stories and verses without any emergant properties.
Only the Holy Spirit can reveal the emergant properties of spiritual laws contained
posted by
calmcantey75
on June 23, 2005 at 3:00 PM
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ewverybody wants to talk about time
but nobody wants to do a thing about it
yes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .time
time passes
time and tide wait for no one
if i only had time
anybody know what time it is; does anybody really care? (Chicago)
so what's the big deal about time
time is.
a Discovery Channel (?) program recently stated that time began with the Big Bang. Then everything started moving and that started time.
time is quite a concept. only people keep note of time.
otherwise, it just happens.
and it's relative.
things move at different rates -- their times are different.
people age at different rates -- their times are different.
there is no exact 24 hours to a day or 365 1/4 days in a year, etc.
time itself, although it is and although it does pass, is relevant only to the individual.
but time is the universe and the universe is time.
and the only part of time that is important is the present moment.
"the princess and the prince discuss what's real and what is not.
It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden." (Dylan)
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 23, 2005 at 6:14 AM
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its just a tangent of the by product
point you were talkng about. Nothing more.
Time has always been an interesting subject to me.
posted by
calmcantey75
on June 23, 2005 at 3:05 AM
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cantey 1975
Time is purely relative. It is not really anything. It is wrong to really say time is in motion. The universe is in motion and time is just how we are able to keep track of it all. Time does nothing at all but happens and unlike energy or matter, time is not conserved. When a second takes place that second is lost.
I personally do not believe in true time travel. We are stuck going in one direction and one direction only. We can not go back and change anything. We do know that time moves faster in some areas than in others due to the speed at which things travel. This has been proven.
have no clue what that question has to do with the post though. Would you care to elaborate for me?
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 22, 2005 at 7:50 PM
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Kooka
to you think it is possible to manipulate time? Do you think time is a by product of the universe? If we can harness and manipulate energy, why not time? If time is not energy, what is it. Energy is in motion, time is in motion. If we could go BACK in time, we could fix many errors by injecting the knowledge we have attained into the primitive stages of thought.
posted by
calmcantey75
on June 22, 2005 at 4:52 PM
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