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Writeroflight,
A heavily armored vehicle against kids throwing rocks not much manhood in that scenario! How about helicopter gunships real men firing them in the night at innocents! Do not leave out the F-16! Did you know it could carry a fully loaded F-4 under it's payload of bombs?
Real men put their military against an unarmed population?? All is needed is the Camps!
I would never suggest that you were not committed or did not believe you were right! So please do not suggest that I am not committed to the removal of all criminal elements in the bureaucracies that make up all governments! George Bush is the lowest form of humanity in a position of power. A dangerous combination.
posted by
Glennb
on June 16, 2005 at 11:23 PM
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Sorry to disappoint you . . .
. . . but how many times have you posted yout thoughts on my blogs? Fair's fair, my friend, and you'll note that I'm being a heck of a lot more civil to you on your turf than you are to me on mine.
Be that as it may, how about sharing a history of the sanctions, since you seem to know who was "behind" them? And how is that freedom is won from a foreign occupier, as you claim about the Palestinian terrorists, by blowing up busloads of children as the terrorists have done? If they want to be real freedom fighters, let them go at it mano y mano with the Israeli army instead of taking the coward's way out.
posted by
WriterofLight
on June 16, 2005 at 7:55 PM
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Writeroflight, re-print with spellcheck,
I am really disappointed that you chose to infect my post with the same hearsay and innuendo that brought America to invade Iraq. We know who was behind the sanctions! We know they were used to punish and weaken Iraq! We know who was the biggest instigator against Saddam Hussein's government! We know that the payment to the families of Palestinians fighting a for liberation from a foreign occupier were humanitarian! And no different for any Nation that gives a "Death Benefit" to the families of it's fallen!
The only and proper recourse for humanity "today": Bring George Bush to justice for crimes against humanity! And I will outline and draw up the charges!
People of the Planet
against
George Bush Inc. (to be hereafter referred to as "War Criminal")
posted by
Glennb
on June 14, 2005 at 8:09 PM
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Writeroflight,
I am really disappointed that you chose to infect my post with the same hearsay and innuendo that brought America to invade Iraq. We know who was behind the sanctions! We know they were used to punish and weaken Iraq! We know who was the biggest instigator against Saddam Hussein's government! We know that the payment to the families of Palestinians fighting a for liberation from a foreign occupyer were humanitarian! And no different for any Nation that gives a "Death Benefit" to the families of it's fallen!
The only and proper recourse for humanity "today": Bring George Bush to justice for crimes against humanity! And I will outline and draw up the charges!
People of the Planet
against
George Bush Inc. (to be hereafter refered to as "War Criminal")
posted by
Glennb
on June 14, 2005 at 8:06 PM
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Interesting stuff!
Good point about the UN, glenn. But what have you to say about the sanctions against Saddam in light of your dissertation about soverign nations, borders and the like?
As for your statement, "The invasion and occupation of Iraq by foreign armies are criminal acts under the rule of established law!": Are not genocide (against the Khurds), the invasion and occupation of Kuwait and portions of Iran by Iraq, the oppression of the Sunnis, and the bankrolling, arming, traning and sheltering of terrorists also "criminal acts under the rule of established law"? Or do you still deny the involvement of Saddam's regime with terrorism? (I said "terrorism," as in subsidizing suicide bombers in Israel for instance, not "al Qaeda." But, to follow up on your excellent post below this one, we're not getting anywhere near the whole story on al Qaeda presence, past or present, in Iraq.
I don't recall the man's name, but wasn't a Boston Globe reporter "outed" from the White House press corps for being too conservative? Would you count him with Armstrong Williams?
Commenting on a comment by Tarzana: "A country has borders for a reason ~ to keep strangers from interfering in their way of life. Did they ask us to topple their government?" Sorry, make that buzzer noise again. That's an absurd question when applied to a people living in a totalitarian dictatorship. They are not free to ask such a question; doing so is a quick ticket to the torture chamber and/or the firing squad. To go further: Did the people of Nazi Germany ask us to topple their government? Did the people of Imperial Japan? Consider what would have happened had we made that the criteria for going to war. A border works both ways - it is also intended to keep countries from interfering in the "way of life" of others. See above for some examples of Baathist Iraq interfering in the affairs of other nations.
posted by
WriterofLight
on June 14, 2005 at 6:59 PM
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Kingmi,
you really know how to ruin a moment! Gingrich Administration! That really hurts!
posted by
Glennb
on June 14, 2005 at 11:38 AM
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Glennb, I can enjoy posts without agreeing with them. I wasn't always that
way. When Clinton was president I could not listen to talk radio (except for Rush) I definitely could not watch CNN. I never listened to a single major address and that includes Stat of the Union speeches. Somehow being on the right side makes everything more tolerable. I hope I'm this open-minded in the Gingrich administration!
posted by
kingmi
on June 14, 2005 at 9:41 AM
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Katray,
No I have not! Thanks for the link! I will take a look later. I do have a real job you know! Thanks for the read!
posted by
Glennb
on June 14, 2005 at 9:39 AM
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Numinous,
The Bush doctrine is "zero" doctrine that is the reason so many people have a problem examining the mess of this man! I hope some citizen or Statesman will stand to demand some accountability for the Death and destruction of Iraq! There can't be that much money or oil to re-animate our lost humanity!
posted by
Glennb
on June 14, 2005 at 9:36 AM
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Kingmi,
Thanks! I hope this is not a ruse! Thanks for the read!
posted by
Glennb
on June 14, 2005 at 9:32 AM
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TARZANA,
It is the citizenry who must ask their leaders! What they were thinking and demand a coherent reply! Sorry about the mixup???
posted by
Glennb
on June 14, 2005 at 9:31 AM
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I watched an Iraqi war special on Discovery last night
and saw U.S. soldiers express heart felt grief over the deaths of innocent civilians. How incredibly evil that those who created this shameful travesty possess none of the same angst and remain determined to continue down the bloody, slaughtering path. And so many of the administration's supporters have become robots - where goes their heart and soul I wonder?
A hopeful sign? Dissent beginning from within? (Perhaps some can reclaim their essence of humanity?) Have you heard of this story Glenn? :
Walter Jones, the Republican congressman for North Carolina who was also the brains behind french toast becoming freedom toast in Capitol Hill restaurants, told a local newspaper the US went to war "with no justification".
Although he voted for the war, he has since become one of its most vociferous opponents on Capitol Hill, where the hallway outside his office is lined with photographs of the "faces of the fallen".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1491567,00.html
posted by
Katray2
on June 14, 2005 at 8:49 AM
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Glennb
Bravo! You stood up and I certainly hope that more will do the same. You go,Glennb!
posted by
Numinous
on June 14, 2005 at 8:43 AM
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Glennb, excellent post today, my man.
posted by
kingmi
on June 14, 2005 at 8:26 AM
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I agree. A country has borders for a reason ~ to keep strangers from interfering in their way of life. Did they ask us to topple their government?
posted by
TARZANA
on June 14, 2005 at 8:15 AM
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TARZANA,
Sorry! I misread the last part of your comment! The problem is it actually prevents the Iraq people from establishing their own equilibrium!
posted by
Glennb
on June 14, 2005 at 8:10 AM
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Glennb, I was being rather sarcastic with my comment ~ not disagreeing with you.
posted by
TARZANA
on June 14, 2005 at 8:03 AM
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TARZANA,
Iraq was a stable thriving economy even under the most hostile American administrations of the past 15 years! Invading Iraq is a criminal act! I cannot say it any plainer than that! See the "real" facts! If you want to add or subtract from my post please know the subject!
posted by
Glennb
on June 14, 2005 at 7:52 AM
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"The invasion and occupation of Iraq by foreign armies are criminal acts under the rule of established law!" Now this is beginning to make some sense here. Do you suppose the U.S. invasion of Iraq is going to help to them to establish this part of their govermental neccessities?
posted by
TARZANA
on June 14, 2005 at 7:46 AM
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