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The popularity and dittohead support of the GOP and the
neoconservative movement in general proves Goebbels point, Ends_of_the_Earther. Disguising their agenda as a mandate of the people, for freedom and democracy, while solidifying their electorate base and undermining their political counterparts by labeling them anti-American, anti-Christian is taken straight from the Goebbels primer. Sadly, many of the neoconservatives are very well educated, but the perpetuation and centralization of power has become their dual purpose (while ramming their quasi-moralistic doctrines down everyone's throat), not the betterment of the United States, as should be their purpose. And yes, it is far easier to circumvent the learned and educated and appeal to the ignorant masses. Marx and Engels are about to sit up and applaud the false rising of the lumpen proletariat...
posted by
saul_relative
on June 8, 2005 at 4:59 PM
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You have much to say that
i agree with! Keep it up. It seems most of what one hears any more is the simpleton garbage put out by the neoconservatives aimed at the less educated in this almost pre-1940 Joseph Goebbels fashion. I think he once said that to gain the support of the country, the leaders need only appeal to the "primative emotions" of the mass populace. Worrying about the intellectuals was unecessary. Think they are and were the minority?
posted by
Ends_of_the_Earther
on June 8, 2005 at 4:34 PM
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So much of what we see
today is from a lack of education as because with education comes tolerance of other ideas and beliefs. Of course those who committed this ignorant act could have been educated in the halls of predjudice. To me the real problem is those who hate because they do not understand. All Muslims are not the friends of the 9-11 terrorists. There are multilple sects in this religion as there are in Christianty. One is ignorant to lump them all into one pot. A good friend of mine, now deceased once told me how he nearly attacked a "towel head" he saw in an Alaskan grocery store. He was simply identifying the bad elements with the whole religion. He was a good guy but had no clue that there was a difference because he had never been taught otherwise. For the melting pot this country is supposed to be, we sure do see a lot of hate toward fellow Americans all stemming from ignorance. There are more reasons I know, but I really do believe much of this thinking comes from a lack of education.
Thanks for the thoughts.
posted by
Ends_of_the_Earther
on June 8, 2005 at 4:24 PM
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See, now, there you go again, empty_handed_painter, expecting
people to practice what they preach. Can't have that in the land of the free. If most Christians practiced the word of god and Jesus instead of paying mere lip service to it, this country wouldn't see most of the troubles and suffering it faces. It is that basic hypocrisy and simple human jealousy and greed that keep people of various faiths at odds when their core doctrines are nearly the same.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 7, 2005 at 8:07 PM
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Right you are, the_loanlady.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 7, 2005 at 8:00 PM
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our government's attitude
has to change toward respecting others' religion.
things have to be said and taught throughout society, through governments and schools
if this is a "Christian Nation" (which it really isn't in that many religions exist side by side), then this "Christian nation" must exude the love of Christ that they so boldly proclaim.
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 7, 2005 at 11:46 AM
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Evil exists and wants to dominate but in pointing it out we overcome the uncertainty and the chaos.
I stand against all those who would harm a place of worship. Only a weak and small preening person would stoop so low as to burn down a mosque.
posted by
the-loanlady
on June 7, 2005 at 11:37 AM
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To tell you the truth, TARZANA, I do not beleive that god really cares one
way or another about a structure -- if he exists to beleive anything. Same for Satan. Your specious comment draws the comparison that an arsonist was doing god's work, or, worse yet, that god may have been angry at the Muslims and sponstaneously combusted the mosque. (Correct me if I'm wrong; I do not wish to ascribe what is not intended.) Traditional and ancient enemies Muslims and Christians (and Jews) may be, but their god is one and the same, the god of Abraham. Only mode of worship is different. Regardless, there is no more reason to suspect god's wrath in this case than in your church's case, no more than I suspect it with regard to the transmission tower in Lynchburg, Virginia (Jerry Falwell's ministry) being struck by lightning. (Although this thought has brought a smile to
my face a few times.)
posted by
saul_relative
on June 7, 2005 at 8:34 AM
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Well said, Numinous. But each one speaking for oneself adds up, and I,
for one, am all for independent thinking and action -- true American traits.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 7, 2005 at 8:19 AM
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Thanks, jduwaik. It is such comments as yours that breathes hope into
this realm of neoconservative near-fascism that has currently gripped our nation's center.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 7, 2005 at 8:18 AM
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The little church where my son was baptised was struck by lightning and burned to the ground after his father divorced me. Do you suppose God was angry?
posted by
TARZANA
on June 6, 2005 at 8:26 AM
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Saul-relative
Well, I certainly am better than that. I can only speak for myself though. :(
posted by
Numinous
on June 6, 2005 at 7:46 AM
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I love America.
I love this post, saul_relative, and love even more that so many people who have commented agree.
Nice. 
posted by
jduwaik
on June 6, 2005 at 1:14 AM
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Some of us never do, Metta.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 5, 2005 at 11:00 AM
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if there was no separation of church and state
there may have never been a mosque there to begin with...
We are all better than this... some of us just haven't realized it yet...
posted by
Metta
on June 5, 2005 at 10:36 AM
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In the objective sense, RAME, I see no problems (for the most part)
with separation of church and state. It makes for less friction. Imagine how much more volatile our politics would be if religion were allowed to dictate state policy. But I do agree that in a democracy, it can seem odd that the majority sometimes does not have the rule. It is the institution of checks and balances in the system that keep majority rule from overwhelming the minorities, like, for instance, the recent filibuster debate. Majority rule is a good thing (for the most part), but without a system of checks and balances to fairly rule the majority and the minorities collectively, you do not have a democracy. You have a mobocracy, where the majority always rules, without due consideration for minority viewpoints and can lead to dictatorship, oligarchism, fascism, and/or totalitarianism. It may not seem fair on the surface, RAME, and we may not like a lot of the decisions being made for us, but it is far better than, say, the current Russian democracy.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 5, 2005 at 10:30 AM
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We should be and,
for the most part, I think we are. There are always a few who do stupid things and it hits the headlines and suddenly it is "representative" of our nation. It is a shame that our nation seems to let the minority do its thinking, as in this case or in athiests calling the shots for everyone regarding God, speaking His name, mention of Him in schools or courthouses, etc. Those minorities are not representative of this nation as a whole and shouldn't be allowed to over-ride the majority.
posted by
RAME
on June 5, 2005 at 9:39 AM
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I think so, saul
we do have our share of nutjobs just like anywhere else.
posted by
calmcantey75
on June 5, 2005 at 9:37 AM
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I certainly hope so, cantey
posted by
saul_relative
on June 5, 2005 at 9:35 AM
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Thanks, scoop.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 5, 2005 at 9:35 AM
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Yes, we are better than this.
posted by
calmcantey75
on June 5, 2005 at 9:00 AM
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You are absolutely right
posted by
scoop
on June 5, 2005 at 8:56 AM
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Thanks, archiew.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 5, 2005 at 8:54 AM
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You are right on the money.
posted by
archiew
on June 5, 2005 at 8:18 AM
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there is no doubt about that, jimmy68
posted by
saul_relative
on June 4, 2005 at 10:40 PM
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I would like to hope so...
but it is an inevitable consequence of the us vrs them propaganda of the neoconservative in the White House...sad really...
posted by
jimmy68
on June 4, 2005 at 10:30 PM
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