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I'm thinking it's what comes when one gets stirred up and open to it...
The crisis is one of annoyance and mess and confrontations that have simmered for years on a back burner while I distracted myself from the need to deal with it out of sheer distaste for the task... I have had to rev up considerable energy to face it, now it is in my face, and once again, have to appreciate that what seems bad isn't really, sometimes...
"If it seems God is far away, guess who moved...?"
posted by
Ciel
on May 23, 2005 at 8:38 PM
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I'm sorry to hear you're having a rough time, but the eternal power source is giving you strength, it seems, through discussions like the one you had today.
posted by
Blanche.
on May 23, 2005 at 8:26 PM
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It made this a magical day... blessed, to use another paradigm...
and all this in the midst of the current household crisis... described in my Everything Else blog...
posted by
Ciel
on May 23, 2005 at 8:21 PM
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Discussion leads to a deeper understanding, challenging ourselves to clarify and express beliefs. I love those kinds of moments.
posted by
Blanche.
on May 23, 2005 at 8:09 PM
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I found myself in a marvelous chat today with a friend online who knows me
in an entirely different light, and when I told her about this blog, she wondered if we were about to butt heads... but we are both old enough ( in whatever way that might be interpreted) to make a possible contest into a lively conversation. Later, while stopping in to say hello and buy some ink, there was another conversation with the sales woman whom I have been buying from for years, and enjoying small talk-- and that one was joined by another woman... It was like a great discussion here, but with more dimension! Have to believe there was some Nudging going on, the way we all got together and suddenly discovered each other!
posted by
Ciel
on May 23, 2005 at 8:02 PM
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Ciel,
That is exactly the point. Because, he also said, "Let those who have ears hear and those who have eyes see".
posted by
Blanche.
on May 23, 2005 at 7:55 PM
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The point was, Jesus didn't try.
If people didn't want to hear, he 'shook the dust from his feet,' and saved it for those who did.
posted by
Ciel
on May 23, 2005 at 7:52 PM
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Ciel,
Good point, it's often difficult to keep quiet about spiritual matters, and want everyone to see life the same way we do, but even Jesus himself could not force those who didn't see or want to see him, and he could merely state the consequences of nonbelief, rather than "force" someone to believe.
posted by
Blanche.
on May 23, 2005 at 7:27 PM
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Or to choose whether to support it...
It may be that it's a path we don't want to add energy to... It may be one that it is part of our path to oppose the other. The point is, I think, neither the condemning or supporting, but the
choosing. It iw what and why and how we choose that reveals who we are, and what we have yet to learn.
posted by
Ciel
on May 23, 2005 at 11:33 AM
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Ciel -
Good explanation. Everyone has their own path. Our job if we connect with a person is to support that path, no matter what it looks like to us - no judgment, lots of love.
posted by
sannhet
on May 23, 2005 at 10:42 AM
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I think the key to understanding how free will applies, and when it doesn't
is in making a disitinction between the problems/needs of spirit vs the problems/needs of the body, which all come into play in solving the problems and needs of a person. The simplest and closest metaphor I know is that of parent and child: spirit is parent, and body is child. There is no question that while some needs are shared, others are distinctly parent-centered or child-centered. To problems and needs, add solutions , perceptions, understandings, and abilities. Then, make a list of all the things you want and need, or, maybe, the problems you are faced with, and take a good look at them. Which ones call for time/space solutions, and which are not about the physical at all?
posted by
Ciel
on May 22, 2005 at 5:19 PM
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Ciel,thank you for explaining free will
I have trouble seeing this clearly.I see options as opportunities and in free will it seems persons keep even options that clearly benefit the person giving and accepting.With variables involved and not a STOP sign that explains itself . even the sign as a stop sign, the consequences are understood for not stopping, yet I still seem to be learning these moral signs from experience.With these unfortunate experiences that teach lessons I see many of them as possibilities that could have been avoided and that very"could have"may be the difference I hold in being responsible with trouble accepting.This free will being responsible for self ,that being responsible with choices made and effect in ones life, learning would have taken a different direction without my irresponsible mistakes,which may be good and a gift . I have trouble explaining my understanding and relation with free will.You seem to me of having a good ground of understanding and I look forward to reading your posts but I do not have a solid ground understanding which can make replying difficult to do.sometimes Ciel,I spend a good half hour brainstorming a connection, writing a few words,erasing then leaving.
thankyou Ciel ,Jeremy
posted by
appleworks7
on May 22, 2005 at 3:08 PM
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Ciel
Amen...thunders with truth
posted by
MysticGmekeepr
on May 22, 2005 at 12:50 PM
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excellent post... I am trying to teach my daughters that every action has a reaction - that everything we do effects the whole world - sometimes it is very hard to explain, but when I am able to see an example - such as watching a movie and seeing someone's smallest action cause a huge reaction - I point it out and show it to them... hopefully they will grow into much more concientious adults than I am myself...
posted by
Metta
on May 22, 2005 at 10:06 AM
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