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Ciel
Yes, since no other method works to do such
posted by
kooka_lives
on May 14, 2005 at 4:17 PM
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Is scientific method the only way you decide what is real or true?
posted by
Ciel
on May 14, 2005 at 3:40 PM
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Ciel
If you accept something to be truth before it is proven to be true, then you accept many, many lies as being truth. That kind of thinking has hindered mankind. Ideas such as the Earth as the center of the universe and the Earth being flat were idea that were accepted as being true with out having been proven true, and were purely based on blind belief. We should have grown past that by now and seen that there is a great deal of logic to waiting to claim something to be a truth until it is proven so. That is the main reason why science works and helps man kind to grow much better than religion does.
Also, the mice had no problem with answer being 42, they just had no clue as to what it was an answer to. The needed the question in order to make the answer work at all. The whole point is really that it is foolish to think there are any easy answers.
posted by
kooka_lives
on May 14, 2005 at 2:50 PM
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Kooka, not even the mice were satisfied with the answer, 42, after all...
I think there may well be an absolute Truth regardless of whether we can see it or sense it or comprehend it Tree falling in the forest...noise... That old thing...
. To say a thing isn't true because it hasn't been proven is the popular gloss on the scientific definition of truth: Until a thing has been proven to be so, it must be disregarded as a factor in the proof of anything else.
posted by
Ciel
on May 13, 2005 at 10:46 PM
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Truth contains no guile...
posted by
cmoe
on May 12, 2005 at 8:09 AM
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Ciel
42 is the answer, not the truth.
posted by
kooka_lives
on May 12, 2005 at 7:12 AM
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Ciel
Most of what believers claim to be the 'truth' is unproven. That means it is not truly true and so should not be considered truth.
I very much believe that is we are of truly open kinds that we will be able to understand the ultimate truth and accept it. What holds us back even now is those who blindly follow the 'truth' and are unwilling to accept any other possibilities. They are the ones who will not be able to grasp the ultimate truth if it is revealed to them.
posted by
kooka_lives
on May 12, 2005 at 7:12 AM
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Metta
I have to disagree there. Not all 'truths' are part of the truth. They may have truth with-in them, but rarely does it seem that such things are what believers use as the 'truth'. Part of the big problem with using the term 'truth' is that many use it for any aspect of their beliefs accept for the parts that are proven. By saying all the faith based aspects (The more outrageous and unproven parts) of their beliefs are the 'truth' they are weakening the idea of just what 'truth' should be.
posted by
kooka_lives
on May 12, 2005 at 7:09 AM
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Pappy
I think most people settle for any kind of 'truth' they are handed. And just because someone does not see you idea of 'truth' does not mean that they see nothing. I am searching for the truth, but am not accepting any old 'truth' that comes along.
posted by
kooka_lives
on May 12, 2005 at 7:05 AM
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Mary
Yes, a non-belief is just as true as belief. I have already made such statements in the past. There is equal change that any religious beliefs based on faith are right or wrong.
However, I have also very much stated in the past that my true faith is put into family and friends and that is the kind of truth that can not be contradicted. I don't say it our right in the post, but I hint at it. People need to put their faith into solid, proven things such as family and friends, the people you know you can trust and are always there for you. That really is the only safe bet I know of.
posted by
kooka_lives
on May 12, 2005 at 7:02 AM
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the only truth really
is what each individual experiences at the present moment.
nothing exists outside of that.
no one really knows anything outside of that.
And each individual has his/her own truth, unique from all other truths.
to say otherwise is falsehood.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 12, 2005 at 6:39 AM
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ciel
it's 1 + 1
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 12, 2005 at 6:37 AM
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Kooka, your statements around the word 'faith'
reminds me, I had a quiet little epiphany about defining 'faith' a while back... it's here: http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/Ciel2752/s40 in the March 1 blog titled Why Bother With Religion.
I have always been troubled by the notion of blind belief in what anyone else declares to be true: I have seen the proofs in history of too many Experts who were every degree of plain old wrong! At the same time, I believe there is a place for faith in spiritual life and awareness. This was where I finally pinned it down for myself. Maybe it's useful for others, too.
posted by
Ciel
on May 11, 2005 at 12:38 PM
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Emptyhandedpainter, I heard recently it is actually '42.'
posted by
Ciel
on May 11, 2005 at 12:26 PM
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Personal truths at one end of the spectrum, Absolute Truth at the other--
If there is an Absolute Truth... do we, as human beings, have the capacity to comprehend it?
I suspect that any Absolute or Ultimate Truth must contain all other truths. It cannot be exclusive, and be The Truth. Any truth that discards or disregards any other truths, is flawed.
posted by
Ciel
on May 11, 2005 at 12:25 PM
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I think the truth is that all these beliefs are truth.... but only part of it... they are peices of a puzzle and not the Complete picture.
posted by
Metta
on May 11, 2005 at 9:22 AM
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There is no permanent truth, all things change
posted by
SuccessWarrior
on May 11, 2005 at 6:37 AM
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Kooka
One can look for the truth he knows exists, even if he doesn't knnow what it is. Others gave up the search long ago and are content with their lies. I think you are searching just like the rest of us, we are all lookouts on this ship, Kooka. We can only report what we see. I would be sorry for those who always see nothing, if I could spare the time.
posted by
pappy
on May 10, 2005 at 4:50 PM
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actually
I dont even care if my beliefs turn out to be false.
posted by
calmcantey75
on May 10, 2005 at 3:55 PM
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Kooka,
So, by your logic, to believe in no God at all, is just as false as any other belief.
posted by
Blanche.
on May 10, 2005 at 3:37 PM
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it is true many people are going to be devestated
when they find out everything they have clung to turns out to be false.
posted by
calmcantey75
on May 10, 2005 at 3:33 PM
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True Truth...
I agree.
posted by
Numinous
on May 10, 2005 at 3:17 PM
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the only truth
is 2
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 10, 2005 at 3:06 PM
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