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Kooka
You are right about many Christians. I for one think that if Terry was indeed brain dead as the state says she was, then there is no reason to keep her alive. My problem with assisted suicide is that it is hard to tell if the person who wants to kill themselves just wants to get out of the way or could enjoy life with the help of better pain relief. In cases such as those on years of life support, it makes very little sense and causes a great deal of pain for the families. It is unfortunate that abortion, allowing physically ill people to die has become politicized. It really has nothing to do with Christianity but has become a rallying point against "liberals, humanists and atheists."
It would be better Christianity if the rally was for the poor, the ill and the disabled. Unfortunately these Christians care more for the unborn and dying than for those who are alive and in need of care and compassion.
I peronally think that death is better for many of the unborn and certainly for those whose minds are gone but whose bodies continue with support.
posted by
Make2short
on April 6, 2005 at 10:04 PM
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E_M
You need to read my stuff more then. I very clearly have said that one reason I do this blog is to promote debate. I enjoy debating. I very rarely find a Christian who can debate, but I keep trying. I have found a few here who are willing to really debate and not turn the whole thing into some attempt to convert me with nothing more than the BS they have been forced fed by their religious leaders.
What I got out of your first comment is that you agreed with the idea of the post, but were not about to admit it. And that is what you seem to be saying in your follow up comment as well. Seems that you are trying to play it safe by not committing to saying anything.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 6, 2005 at 3:39 PM
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chrysalis
Whenever anyone makes that claim about the Schiavo case it just shows ignorance. The state did not decided to kill an innocent. They looked at the evidence presented and judged that Terri Schiavo would have desired to be allowed to die. They were defending the idea of allowing people to have control over such aspects of their lives. Just the fact hat such a large amount of Christians are so blind to what this was really about helps to show that their fear death. I have yet to see any true logical justification given by a single Christians as to why Terri should have been kept alive. Even religiously there is more justification to allow her to die than there is to force her body to live. It clearly is just a fear of death in general that caused such an stupid response to it all. There is no other reasonable explanation. Christians seem to wish to pretend they do not have this fear, but it is very clear by their actions. They invent many justifications to cover the truth here, which seems to be the rule of the game for them.
I am for the death penalty myself and think we need to use it more often. Then we might start getting some results.
And if you would try to use FACTS to show me where I am wrong, you could prove a point to me. Just telling me I am wrong proves nothing.
Once more, just becaue you disagree with something I say does not make it wrong. So far that is all you have done. You have not provided proof to back up what you claim.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 6, 2005 at 3:38 PM
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chrysalis
his assumptions are not erroneous
they are from experience
i have experienced such Christian attitudes.
maybe you haven't
or maybe you have and don't recognize them as such
or maybe you have and cannot express in one way or another that you have.
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 6, 2005 at 6:04 AM
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and the shiavo case
is not a case of fearing death. It is a case of morality. Christians dont ( didnt) fear death for Shiavo, they disputed the right of the state to kill an innocent person.
By the way I am against the death penalty.
posted by
chrysalis
on April 5, 2005 at 7:59 PM
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there is no such thing as proving a point about Christianity
to you. Because in your mind, there is no proof.
Am I right?
posted by
chrysalis
on April 5, 2005 at 7:54 PM
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kook
I love how you try to draw into things...you probably make a good debator.
Nope, I stated pretty darn clear what I wanted to say..
thanks for asking!
posted by
Entrepreneur_Maker
on April 5, 2005 at 7:52 PM
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E_M
You might not fear death. I never said all Christians fear it.
And yes this is inspired by the Terri Schiavo case, which is very much about the general fear a good deal of Christians have towards death. The majority of Christians very clearly fear death.
Are you saying there is not logic in what I said in this post?
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 5, 2005 at 7:48 PM
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tbgroucho
Not wanting to die is not the same thing as being afraid to die. I have no desire to die myself and will do all I can to stay alive as long as I am abel to live life, but I do not fear death. If I get to a point where I am no longer living life I will be ready to accept death.
Thank you for your comment
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 5, 2005 at 7:45 PM
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chrysalis
You're funny. Do you ever get tired of not proving a point? You are one who keeps popping up and saying I am wrong, but not providing any evidence of such. I know Christians and I can observe Christians and how the act. Just because you dislike what I say does not mean it is wrong.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 5, 2005 at 7:42 PM
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Reverand
are you interested at all in the TRUTH about Christianity?
all I see in your critiques of it are erroneous assumptions.
posted by
chrysalis
on April 5, 2005 at 6:04 PM
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i am not a believer
i and don't want to die. Your point is well-taken, though.
posted by
tbgroucho
on April 5, 2005 at 5:16 PM
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I Do not fear death.
As a Christian you don't have too fear death. I think your posting is a big build up to take a stance on the Terri S. issue.
posted by
Entrepreneur_Maker
on April 5, 2005 at 3:41 PM
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Reverand
Believers are not to fear death. You make good logical observations however. You can read my religious blog and see it outlined.
I know you are going by what you see in the behavior and speech of Christians, but I thought you would be interested to know that this concept of Christians fearing death is erroneous.
posted by
chrysalis
on April 5, 2005 at 3:36 PM
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