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Ariala, your comments make sense and are very much welcomed, and I am very serious about writing my book and asking for your input. Though things did go wrong in Rome, it was the Holy Spirit that led the faith from Jerusalem to there, and maybe if we go back and prayerfully study it more, we can understand it better and help both Protestant and Catholic alike become as devoted to our Heavenly Father, as they seem to be their earthly Holy Father.
posted by
MountainClimber57
on April 5, 2005 at 5:48 PM
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I type so fast I make so many mistakes, hopefully these comments still
made sense.
posted by
Ariala
on April 5, 2005 at 1:00 PM
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Ready, I don't really know the rules of flags and etc. I understand if the
leader is one of a country, state or city it shows respect, but if he's a leader of a church, then you are crossing over...As for Graham, or the Pope, well, as long as we do it for the Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu leaders then yes, let's just be consistent. But personally, I don't think government offices should do that for religious leaders at all. That's my personal opinion.
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Ariala
on April 5, 2005 at 12:53 PM
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Ready, I think because I feel passionate about this subject it might be
interpreted as Catholic bashing, but I base my views, opinions and convictions against the system on their very own doctrines. I love the Catholic people (most of my family is Catholic), but the system is what the Bible calls Babylon in the book of Revelations...confusion...it even calls that church the "Mother harlot" and her daughters are all the churches that still revere her with awe.
I realize I probably won't convince you, but being an ex-Catholic and studying the history behind the church and its doctrine for years has made me aware that it's one system I could never, ever return to. I would suggest you read The Unswept House (or something like that) by Malachi Martin. He was Catholic and their PR guy for a while. He died a Catholic, but his book, which he said he wrote as fiction, though it was true he confessed on talk shows, gives an account of a black mass conducted in Rome and in the U.S. in 1969 where the church changed its allegiance from God to Satan. Now why on earth would a Catholic priest write such a terrible thing about his own church? Because he was shocked at its discovery but was too afraid to write it as a non-fiction piece. He said he changed the names so protect people, including himself. This is what I've heard on talk shows in the past on him.
I also read another book by him called The Keys to this Blood which was a very thick historical book that discussed the Papacy's plans for the world. He described three big powers at work: The Church (Catholicism), Communism and the West or Capitalism. He said the plan is to destroy Communism, and as we know, Pope John Paul and Reagan were instrumental in doing that. Next, they would take down the West and Capitalism, to usher in the new world order of church and state, just as the Bible predicts will happen in Revelations with the Beast. What gets me is that people believe that since it's a church, it can't be wrong. Hey, if I was Satan, I'd head up a church and try to deceive the people myself...the end days will be ushered in by a mix of church and state. Just you wait and see. Please read Revelations 13, 17, 18 and be careful not to get caught up in Babylon. Martin Luther saw Catholicism for what it was...too bad that everything has been compromised so people can remain political/religious correct. Very sad.
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Ariala
on April 5, 2005 at 12:49 PM
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Ariala, you are completely right about the true being a combination of all who believe in Jesus Christ. The lowering of the flag, I believe is more for the great influence this man, along with Ronald Reagan, Billy Graham and others had in bringing the Iron Curtain down. When Dr. Billy Graham passes away, I suspect the same will be one, will you disagree with that?
posted by
MountainClimber57
on April 5, 2005 at 12:39 PM
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I said man of civil government, but meant a religious man
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Ariala
on April 5, 2005 at 12:36 PM
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Roman (Italian) by birth, that is most interesting, and maybe now I need to back off a little. I too know quite a lot about the Catholic Church. When I pastored in Florida, I was in a community of Catholic people, primarily immigrants from Haiti, and snow birds from up North. It was my privilege to baptize many of them into the Protestant Faith. As I continue to do research on my book, I would be most privileged to hear more from you and present your side, although, please understand, I do not intend to bash the Catholic Church, but in my research try to understand the progression of the Christian faith from Jerusalem to Rome to Europe across the sea to America etc. I agree the Catholic Church as it evolved never was God's true redemptive intention, otherwise there would have never been a need of a Protestant Reformation!
posted by
MountainClimber57
on April 5, 2005 at 12:36 PM
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Ready, okay I reread those verses and do not see their relevance in lifting
the flag at half staff for the pope or any other man in civil government nor do I see a call to return to Rome. If you are comparing the church of Rome to a husband (Catholicism) and the bride (Protestantism) and her leaving the marriage (the Mother Church) you are very deceived. I'm sorry to tell you that but the bride of Christ is not the Catholic Church, it is a people of God that comes from all denomination (Catholics included) as well as other faiths.
posted by
Ariala
on April 5, 2005 at 12:35 PM
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My friend, I did a study in Romans not too long ago with a church study
group. I am Roman (Italian) by birth...but I can tell you that Catholicism is not the system God had planned for His people.
posted by
Ariala
on April 5, 2005 at 12:29 PM
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Ariala, I don't want you to see anything. If you have not read Romans lately, or read it all the way through, I just want you to read it. On thing you will find is the great love that Paul had for the City of Rome and the Roman Christians (See Chapter 1:7-16 and Romans 15:14 - 16:16)
posted by
MountainClimber57
on April 5, 2005 at 12:20 PM
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Ready, what is it specifically you want me to "see" in Romans?
posted by
Ariala
on April 5, 2005 at 12:11 PM
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Ariala, I again admonish you to read the New Testament book of Romans, and then we can have our discussion. Reading may not change you, and looking closer to your perception of Rome, may not change me, but either one could.
posted by
MountainClimber57
on April 5, 2005 at 12:09 PM
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Wow, you are a fulfillment of Revelations 13...you are "wondering"
after the Beast. I know you're sincere, but as a Protestant minister, I ask you to open your eyes...don't live by your emotions...Peter was not the first Pope. The rock is Christ, not Peter, and Papacy system is a major threat to our freedoms.
posted by
Ariala
on April 5, 2005 at 7:34 AM
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