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R_S_M
It is obvious that you do not understand the value of life and what true love is. You see when you love a person, you DO NOT WISH TO WATCH THEM SUFFER. From the sounds of it I understand Michael much better than you, of course I love my wife so much that I WOULD NEVER FORCE HER TO LIVE WHEN SHE WOULD NOT WISH TO. Part of loving a person is knowing how to let go and allow them peace.
His wife had died and her parents were being selfish beyond belief and he wished to move on. Of course I have not found any reliable source that have reported about him taking his girlfriends to see her or saying stuff ;like 'Is the birth dead?'. In fact the only sources I can find are Christian propaganda sites. No legitimate media has any such information. But as for finding a new love, that just makes sense. His wife was dead, but he was nt being allowed to move on because he loved her and respected her wishes much more than her own family did. He kept married in order ot insure that Terri's wishes were meant, even if it meant loosing everything he had. If he would have gone and gotten a divorce years ago, he would be in much better shape. All the money he had won is gone now. he spent it on the legal battles and on Terri. He has nothing. Why did he not bring it up until then? Most likely he was clinging to some kind of hope. Even the doctor who examined Terri's x-rays and at first was saying they could have been caused by abuse, changed his mind as soon as he was told the medical history of Terri and said it was much more likely to have been caused by the collapse and the attempts to help her. Trying to discredit the husband because he does not share the same misguided and outdated beliefs as you do is a pathetic way to prove your point. it seems to be common among Christian though. if you get proven wrong and are unable to provide facts to back up your side, you resort to childish attacks of character in attempts to discredit instead of working to prove you are right. It is sad, really, really sad.
Of course, you are right. I do not know Michael Schiavo's mind. All I can do is look at my self and my wife and see how we are at what our relationship is like and what I would do if she ended is such a condition. I can only look at my own mind na assume that michael would think similar to how I would. I would have to figure any person looking at the guy would have to think that way as well. So if you are not trusting Michael to be looking out for what is best for his wife, what does that say about you?
I know you are unable to form one solid thought of your own. The church and other leaders who you follow blinding have told you every thought you are to have and you will believe every single thing that is fed to you by those who enjoy the control you allow them to have over you. So the idea of searching beyond the propaganda escapes you completely. You are basically a cattle following the heard.
Terri was already dead you idiot. She felt nothing as she starved. Those dogs however were most likely fully alive and starved because of negligence, not because of mercy. I wish we would have been much more humane and given Terri a quicker end. But due to the stupid, moronic ideas of the Christians we were unable to be as humane as possible and instead had to do it the long way. if you and others who are as clueless as you are about life would wake up and see reality and start to allow humane treatment of people, we could start to help the dead get it over with.
As for eh abortion issue, I am against abortions. But due to the Christian influence on our society we are stuck having to use them. If we could break away from the outdated BS and the concepts of not being responsible, which is basically what the Christian church teaches, we could grow to a level where we will no longer need abortions. Besides the unborn child has yet to have a chance to live life and os that is different from a person who has lived and is now suffering and is truly dead, with no chance at all to be able to truly live life again. That just shows that Christian Conservatives are really blind to the differences between various situations concerning life. Which only helps to show that you are truly lost as to what life really is.
I am not wrong and yo know it. You are just to much of an idiot following blindly the BS told to you by those who wish to control your every thought. You are sad, pathetic man with no concept at all of reality.
I need no pity from anyone, especially someone as clueless and lost as you. Your life must be sad beyond belief, so you might wish to save the pity for yourself. After all if your beliefs are followed, someday you might be trapped in your own body as you watch the world, screaming for help, but because you do not believe in humane death for people, you will be kept alive long after a reasonable and sensible length. I would wish such suffering and torture on no person, but it seems you wish and desire such for yourself and to force on others. Sick, sick, sick and sick.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 2, 2005 at 5:23 PM
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Mr. Assumption...
otherwise known as kooka, in this Terri Schiavo case, speaks of Michael as if he knows exactly of his intentions. As for Michael, I do not understand how the "to death do us part" or "through sickness and in health" marriage vows exactly fits in here. Michael used to take girlfriends by to show them that he was telling the truth about Terri. Why? Girlfriends? Then he goes off and shacks up with another woman then has two kids out of wedlock? How do these facts coincide with the marriage vows? Kooka, doesn't that sound the least bit strange to you or are you totally screwed up? In this entire case, doesn't it sound as if there were so many questionable events? Why did Michael only think of what she stated about not wanting to be in this shape after the trial and after he received the money? Would not this have come out before and during the trial? "Is the bitch dead yet" comments, other testimonies about his actions, the broken bones in Terri's body which you played off as having been done when she collapsed, yea right, how do all of these things get so easily dismissed by you? These questions and no further investigation at all. Finally, I really could care less about your George Felos type of views on starvation. Terri suffered greatly by being killed by starvation. Just tonight on our local television station there was a report on the arrest of a couple who had about 20 dogs who were starved to almost death before the authorities found them. Three had already died. The reporter was commenting on how cruel it was and how the dogs had suffered because of the starvation. But, hey, it's okay if it is a situation like Terri's. To quote the completely worthless George Felos, it is peaceful and calm. What crap!
You commented:
The conservative Christians disrespect life beyond belief by turning it into the most trivial and insignificant of things, by claiming we should force people's bodies to live on well after the person has truly died.
How does this relate to our Christian views on abortion? You are so self absorbed it is pityful. I truly pity you. I can't imagine anyone having the twisted views that you possess. You speak of cremation and how it is not right to bury the dead. What difference does it make to you, you're an atheist! To you, there is nothing after life. The sad part is that you're wrong and it will be too late when you discover that.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on April 1, 2005 at 9:02 PM
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E_M
Actually I do not blame michael at all for finding a new love. His wife had truly died fifteen years ago. He stayed married to her for what seem to me to be able to fight for her rights. He showed himself to be truly unselfish in his actions by staying married in order to insure that his wife was given what it was she would most desire. He would be wealthier now if he had not stuck with it. His life would have been much easier. He lost much by sticking behind his wife and making sure her desires were followed.
I am defending Michael because I could see myself in such a situation if my wife ended up in such a condition. We are planning on getting our living wills done (After this load of BS with so many idiots running around trying to force people to live due to outdated and obviously poorly thought out religious beliefs, anyone with half a brain should be making sure such things are done) but those can be contested and something might happen to not make it official or for whatever reason we are unable to get it taken care. There is always the chance of such a fight happening no matter what when one group decides they know what is best for all, and do not care if it is against what someone desires.
I do not know Terri either. So neither you nor I can ever really know what she would have wished. Michael is most likely the one person who would best know what it was she would have wished. By that logic, we have to take his word above all other, even if we disagree with it.
I have only heard about him making such comments come from the far right wing people. I have yet to find any real evidence of that from any credible sources
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 1, 2005 at 3:21 PM
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R_S_M
Do I need to point out that you are showing yourself to be an idiot yet again? Your statement are about as poorly thought out as ever and just help to show your ignorance.
I believe Michael because his claim was very much that Terri would desire such and I know that I am the one person in the world who has the best idea as to what my wife would desire. I have seen nothing at all that Michael gained from defending his wife's right to die. He would have been much better off if he would have divorced her some time ago. He didn't which tells me he stuck with it because he was fighting for his wife's rights and desires. I know I would do the same thing if my wife were in such a predicament and her family was trying very hard to not follow what I know to be her wishes.
Her family of course made it overly clear that hey were not at all concerned with Terri's wishes, but instead were trying to force they beliefs on Terri. This was basically admitted in court, which was a strong reason as to why they lost their case.
Honestly if it were the other way around (With the parents having the sense and compassion to help her end her life but not knowing if that is what she would have wished, and her husband being cruel and evil in wishing to keep her living claiming that was what she would have desired), I would still defend the husband, even if I disagreed with the wish. It has nothing to do with the conservative vs liberal issue. it has everything to do with a person's rights and freedoms and who is the best to represent that person at such times.
The conservative Christians disrespect life beyond belief by turning it into the most trivial and insignificant of things, by claiming we should force people's bodies to live on well after the person has truly died. You have less respect for the dead because you are so afraid of the idea of dying that you have to hide behind layers of BS as to what life is. I respect death much more than you do. The dead? Well dead bodies really are just meat in the end and it is best to just cremate them or find a real use for them, such as medical studies or organ donors or some such thing, above burying them the ground were all they will do is slowly rot away and serve no purpose at all. When you look at it, burying a body is about as disrespectful as it gets.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 1, 2005 at 3:09 PM
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I don't know Terri
I cannot say what she was. Please don't take my comments out of context to prove your point. If you want to say you like what michael did, then please post it.
If Michael were so good as you say, he wouldn't have another woman, kids etc.
The testimony of how he wanted to "know if the bitch" was dead is pretty telling.
I believe if you are looking for a fight, go for it. I don't really care.
I am advocating making your (whoever's ) passing easier for the loved ones by having a will and testment. If you don't when you clearly have the chance, then YES YOU ARE A SELFISH COWARD.
posted by
Entrepreneur_Maker
on April 1, 2005 at 2:54 PM
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Also E_M
Do you have a will? If you do, then this court case will not impact anything about your future at all. If you don't then it might. Hopefully you can trust your partner to follow through with you wishes if you are lacking a will.
You really are grasping for straws to try and discredit the whole thing with a big load of BS that you have to know is way off target here.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 1, 2005 at 2:54 PM
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And E_M,
Are you calling Terri a 'selfish and cowardly piece of crap' then? You say Michael is one, but the statement afterwards seem more focus ed towards what Terri did. I would have to bet that Michael most likely either made sure he had one made during all this BS, or is getting one done now. I see nothing at all that points to Michael being selfish in any of this. Terri's parents on the other hand have been nothing but selfish throughout all of it. if Michael was really selfish, he would have taken the money and left Terri years ago. It cost him a whole lot to stay married to her until the end.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 1, 2005 at 2:51 PM
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kkooko
The only point, I am making, which is crystal clear, to most is that the Courts decided what ever they decided. I am not going to get into that.
As far as trusting someone to make the right decision, I would say that I cannot answer for anyone but me. And that's none-ya. However, I will say that if you were laying in that situation without a will, when you have the opportunity to put one in place, then you are wrong.
Don't leave it to your loved ones to bear that decision. That is wrong.
I hope my point is more clear.
posted by
Entrepreneur_Maker
on April 1, 2005 at 2:51 PM
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Entrepreneur_Maker
It is nothing but conservative BS. The court defending fully a person's rights. If they would have sided with the parents, that would have been a great violation of Terri's rights. Thanks to this people are more likely to be given what it is they desire. her parents many times made it clear they did not at all care about Terri's wishes, but were concerned with their selfish needs to pretend she was still with them.
Are you saying you do not trust your significant other with doing what it is you wish desire upon your death? Part of marriage is giving a level or responsibility to the person you marry, that over rules your family. My wife trust me above her own family to do what would be her wishes in such a case and I trust my wife as much as I trust my family (My family is down to Earth and does not at all believe in the barbaric, evil ideas of forcing life on people after they have already truly died and they see that cremation is the only logical thing to with a dead body) and so I will trust my wife to do what is best for me and would be my desire.
The courts looked at the information given and made what seems to me to be the correct choice, since her husband made the claim that he knew what Terri would wish, while her family was only able to say what the wished for her and admitted to knowing nothing at all about what her desires would have been. At that point Terri's rights were upheld.
It matter not which side of the issue you are on, we all won big time in that freedom and rights won out over outdated religious ideas being forced on to others by those who are not willing to accept reality.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 1, 2005 at 2:45 PM
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Chrysalis...
you see, kooka believed everything that Michael says. Amazing that they don't believe anyone who speaks from a conservative sense but they are the first to believe Michael. That is because they agree with him. But kooka is all for ramming his Godless beliefs down your throat. But when you proclaim your beliefs then you are just some stupid ignorant worthless conservative Christian who wants to take over the world.
This post is the most heartless, cold, shameful and disrespectful one I have ever seen. Can you believe anyone would disrespect the dead like this? I can, they are called liberal atheist.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on April 1, 2005 at 1:21 PM
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Hello ....
ITs called a WILL and Durable power of atty. Where was hers?
IT doesn't matter which side you fall on the argument is that they have by this action endangered all of us. THis is not conservite BS. This is legal precendence.
Without a WILL and Testment someone can pretty much do what they want yes. In this case yes. The issue is the courts (rightfully so) stepped in to mediate. Whether you agree or not with the decision, the problem is you and me and everyone else is now in MORE danger of our wishes not being met.
I am concerned for those who, like Kooka are trying to cloud the issue that this is a right wing thing. This is a thing that effects ALL Americans.
My point? - If you want to be burned up and fed to the garden, do it. Who cares...just save the family the misery and put it in writing....
I don't want your lack (not speaking here to anyone in particular) of responsiblity to cause a law or precendece that could impact me. In essence your (again no one in particular pointed out here) lack of wanting to face the fact you will die one day, but don't want to think about to impact me by these kind of court cases.
If you don't have YOUR PERSONAL WISHES legally recorded you may face this same fate. And your family. The way I see it? Michael S. is a piece of selfish crap. If you dont' get a will put in (again don't be over sensative, not speaking to anyone directly) place you are selfish and cowardly piece of crap.
posted by
Entrepreneur_Maker
on April 1, 2005 at 7:30 AM
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chrysalis
Everything you just said is the basic conservative BS that is being spit out in order to try and make Michael Schiavo look as bad as possible. most of it is stretching the truth about as much as possible. Some of it is out right lies. Terri Schiavo was not murdered. Her wishes were met. No amount of religious conservative propaganda an change the facts.
My wife has made it very clear she would never wish to live as Terri Schiavo was forced to. My wife has also made it very clear that she does not wish to be buried, but cremated instead. These however are not my wife's family's views. They would most likely try to push for their desires, ignoring what I know my wife would wish. I do not care about what her family wants. I am going to do everything that I know my wife would want if she were to go through all that. It is her body and she should be the one who gets to decided what happens to her body, not her family.
Basically you are trying to discount what the Husband says is what she would wish because you do not agree with it. You have no clue as to what Terri Schiavo would desire, and her parents have admitted they knew nothing at all about their daughter's wishes. This leaves it so I have to put my faith in her husband knowing her, since he was married to her, and that he would be the number one person who would be trying to do what he knew his wife would want.
Had Terri and her husband not suffered enough for her family's selfish actions all these years, which took what should have been a very personal and private event and made it in to a national media circus, devoid of any hint at all of dignity and respect for Terri?
Hopefully we will never see this again, because people will more open about talking about their desires. I can only hope that no one is ever forced to live in the cruel, inhumane way Terri was. I can only hope we start to truly respect life and allow people to die. i can only hope we grow and start giving people the right to have control over how they die is such situations, and that people stop being selfish by using outdated religious beliefs and start to show that they have respect for their loved ones and the life they lived by allowing them to die.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 1, 2005 at 7:16 AM
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Jimmy
Agreed!
posted by
David1Spirit
on March 31, 2005 at 9:18 PM
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Murder?
give me a fuckng break...killing is only murder under very specific circumstances, and no one killed Terri, as a matter of fact, she was kept alive against her will for fifteen fucking years...
posted by
jimmy68
on March 31, 2005 at 9:16 PM
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yeah, murder is always a good thing
at least Michael Shiavo could have let the family have the body for proper Christian burial according to their beliefs. Have they not suffered enough watching their daughter die a slow painful death?
she is finally dead now yes, can we move on now to the next victim we, as gods, decide who is unfit to live. Who will it be?
posted by
chrysalis
on March 31, 2005 at 8:00 PM
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Kooka
Great blog this is and I couldn't agree more hoss
posted by
WileyJohn
on March 31, 2005 at 5:43 PM
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