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gheeghee
Even the healthiest of people still get cancer. Preventive measures do not completely stop it from ever happening to those who try them.
posted by
kooka_lives
on March 7, 2005 at 3:15 PM
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"cancer as a genetic disease/has nothing to do with environment" Cancer as a genetic disease can be prevented completely through proper diet, avoiding cancer-causing agents. Cancer has MUCH to do with our environment.
posted by
Gheeghee
on March 7, 2005 at 11:04 AM
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cancer as a genetic disease
has nothing to do with environment
also other genetic diseases
but then again
gheeghee tells us of "truth" -- actually --
that
s it
truth, actually.
posted by
Xeno-x
on March 1, 2005 at 2:28 PM
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"an you tell me what those children did in their lifestyle to suffer the horror of disease?" How many of them are sick with cancer? How many of them are sick with a cancer caused by the environment in which we live? Who is destroying our environment to the point where disease reeks havoc on even their children, and WHY? Isn't it because of greed? Who are behind the poison spilling onto our earth? Greedy corporations? Isn't greed a lifestyle? Aren't these children affected by the lifestyles of others? YES, CANCER IS A LIFESTYLE DISEASE. WE ARE MANY PARTS, WE ARE ONE BODY.
posted by
Gheeghee
on March 1, 2005 at 9:10 AM
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"Are you making the claim that you have had a real conversation with God where god has talked back to you and given you information?" I am not making such a claim; I am, however, making the claim that I've opened my eyes, and have been made aware of truths that cannot be denied, even by you. Communication does not necessarily require "conversation."
posted by
Gheeghee
on March 1, 2005 at 9:06 AM
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Dennison_Mann
Finally Gheeghee is driving someone else crazy. SHe is a great dancer and will give you the run around. I am going to sit this one out and let you have the joy of dancing with her for a little bit.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 28, 2005 at 5:23 PM
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Gheeghee
Are you making the claim that you have had a real conversation with God where god has talked back to you and given you information? That is more or less what it sounds like you are trying to say. You are still dancing my dear. All you are using is verses from the Bible and the only logic you have that the Bible is true is because in the Bible God says the Bible is his word. Go, talk with God (Since you seem to believe anyone can go and have conversation with him) and get him to come and talk to me and show me just how great he is. You see something like that I can not believe just anyone who claims to have talked with God and then wrote it in some book thousands of years ago. I kind of need real proof you see. But that can never happen and I am sure you will dance around and spit out many reasons that are backed up by the Bible as to why God is unwilling to communicate directly with man right now.
Sorry, but I am way too sober to be able to see or talk to God. Maybe I should have done some hard-core drugs when I was younger, then I might be able to see God.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 28, 2005 at 5:22 PM
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Son, you will notice
not a one of us has a clue, as you said.
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 28, 2005 at 2:51 PM
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"As for human lifestyle causing disease" QUOTE ME DIRECTLY: What were my exact words? Taking someone out of context is a poor argument technique.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 1:49 PM
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"Again we return to this absurd comparison." As I said, if you do not believe in God, the explanation would be lost on you.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 1:48 PM
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empty: Not that you asked me, but I do not believe in predestination. I do not believe that time has unfolded yet, so predictions made can be made only based on what we know about the past, about now, about ourselves. Look at it this way: If you have cancer, and you keep smoking, will you more than likely die much sooner than if you quit?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 1:47 PM
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dennison
you brought up an interesting subject
one that has been speculated on for quite some time now
and that is predestination.
I forgot all about it until your comments
according to predestination, some are ordained for salvation while others are ordained for eternal damnation -- before their birth.
hmmmm . . . .
is this really so?
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 28, 2005 at 1:45 PM
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More Absurdity
"To understand God, you can't go to a Book. You can't go to another person: Christ said to Peter that only God in Heaven could have revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Son of God; You have to be open. If you choose not to, yes, you will die. The tree that is diseased, the ground rejects it, no matter how hard it tries to hang on to the earth."
Again we return to this absurd comparison. I guess Gheeghee's standing policy is to repeat the lie often enough until they feel convinced? Again, the diseased tree didn't inject itself with the affliction the way God (who created everything) injected His own creation with evil. Can we now get off this impossible comparison?
And yes, when participants engage in intellectual dishonesty as persistently and constantly as you do, it is indeed ridiculous. Show me ONE tree that injects itself with disease or even engages in behaviour that causes disease and I might entertain this completely absurd comparison to humanity.
As for human lifestyle causing disease...have you been to a hospital recently? Can you tell me what those children did in their lifestyle to suffer the horror of disease?
--D
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on February 28, 2005 at 1:24 PM
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And D, there is nothing rediculous about asking questions, engaging in conversation, trying to understand. As quickly as I wrote my response, I've been developing this concept for quite some time. I beg you not mistake the tersness of my reply with a lack of thought.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 12:11 PM
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"The cancerous cell doesn't CHOOSE to be cancerous." Of course not, just like EVE did not choose to be sick...she was duped into it, just like cancer patients are duped into later having cancer because they smoke, or eat improperly (cancer study shows that, despite genetic links, lifestyle is a huge factor in the apperance of cancer--this is a fact I'm sure most would agree with without having to prove it). They are duped into it by ad campaigns that don't have your best interests at heart. Alcoholics don't CHOOSE to be alcoholics, either. They choose to drink, though. This is at the heart of the issue. They were born with that X factor, but unless they drink, it will lie dormant throughout their lives. Just like being an alcoholic doesn't make a person "bad," neither does being "a sinner." (Sin is like drinking/doing drugs/overeating--it doesn't make you bad, but doing it is bad for you, and can kill you.) Likewise with evil/sin We have a disease, and we can either let it kill us, or we can fight it.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 12:00 PM
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"and I am trying to defeat" Typo: should read, "GOD is trying to defeat." Sorry.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 11:50 AM
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"Will God judge us and cast out the souls who do not worship Him?" this concept comes from Scripture, and yes, that's how the Hebrews that wrote these concepts down understood it. This is what you are dealing with here, D. The Bible isn't filled with a bunch of FACTS. As we know from studying English, Fables, which are made up stories, contained "morals," which are truths, aren't they? You can't take a book written by people thousands of years ago in a completely different part of the world that never saw the face of Christ, let alone understood that the earth was round, and apply it verbatum to the world as we understand it today. This is the error made so often by both the faithful AND those that don't believe in God. Scripture is not cut'n dry, folks. Just look at Genesis. It says man was created after everything else, then the next passage says man was created from dirt, then everything else, then woman. Both stories contain TRUTH, even though they technically conflict. Why were they chosen when Scripture was compiled? Because the hope was that when the stories were told, they'd be understood in their proper context, as a source of THOUGHT, IDEAL; not FACT. Understanding scripture is so much more than just reading the words on the page. To understand God, you can't go to a Book. You can't go to another person: Christ said to Peter that only God in Heaven could have revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Son of God; You have to be open. If you choose not to, yes, you will die. The tree that is diseased, the ground rejects it, no matter how hard it tries to hang on to the earth. All life that grows from the rejected tree is also rejected. It's the same with "Satan and His Cohort;" They are a parasite, clinging to the body through our spirits. The parasite is the killer. The body must reject the parasite, or it will die. SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST RING A BELL? WE ARE CREATED IN GOD'S IMAGE. We must also reject the parasite, or we will Die. Is it malice toward our cells that make us want to remove disease? Of course not. It's a desire to live, to survive. "I AM," SAYS THE LORD. I exist, and I am trying to defeat a parasite that wants to destroy God. But it can't survive without God, just like any parasite can't survive without its host. The parasite killed CHRIST, BODILY, BUT NOT SPIRITUALLY, because Christ is God, God is LOVE and the source of life, including "Satan's." He will, however, run his course, and like any disease, will take some of us with Him. This is an analogy, but one that might answer some questions. If your eyes are closed, you'll not get it.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 11:45 AM
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Gheeghee
What an absurd and oversimplified comparison. Answer my questions with a little thought.
The cancerous cell doesn't CHOOSE to be cancerous. The CANCEROUS patient didn't create the cell for him/herself just to relish the thought of killing it the way God creates souls and then (as you suggested) allows them to die or kills them (as the Bible suggests) for not behaving within impossible demands.
--D
(I can't believe I'm actually having this ridiculous conversation.)
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on February 28, 2005 at 11:31 AM
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What happens when a cell can't recover from it's disease, D? IT DIES, DOESN'T IT? When discussing matters of faith, you need to keep an open mind. WE ARE MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE. WE ARE MANY PARTS, WE ARE ONE BODY. TAKE THE LEAP.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 11:28 AM
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Gheeghee
Please go back and actually read what was posted. I asked you SEVERAL questions as to what happens to us if we reject God. You suggested that we kill ourselves...which prompted me to ask about this judgment day we all hear so much about from Christians and those who believe in God.
In the interest of intellectual honesty, please answer these two questions:
Will God judge us and cast out the souls who do not worship Him?
-And-
How does a God create souls that He knows will never worship Him and then condemn them to death (as you suggested in your "you kill yourself" post) when they actually live within His omniscience?
You conveniently and consistently avoid these two questions. Why? Are you insane?
--D
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on February 28, 2005 at 11:26 AM
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Dennison, the Bible also says that snakes talk. Reading scripture, much like reading the torah, contains "a rich variety of interpretation that the sensitive reader will take pains to appreciate." (New American Bible,
St. Joseph's Edition, Page 1. 1992)
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 11:13 AM
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Dennison: Are you sure that's what I suggested? You may want to reread ALL my comments before throwing your two cents in. To do that, go back about 10 or so of Kooka's posts and read. In other words, follow your own advice.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 11:11 AM
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Now We're Moving into the Realm of the Absurd
Gheeghee, try a little intellectual honesty. You suggested that God will kill me for rejecting Him. The Bible says that God will cast souls into the "lake of fire." Souls will burn in hell. If you can't strive for honesty, Gheeghee, then I'm through responding to you. Kooka was right. We all can see that now.
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on February 28, 2005 at 11:08 AM
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click here to see the introduction of the concept of "cosmic campfire." NOTE THE AUTHOR.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 11:08 AM
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"Will your big, bad God come and fry me in His cosmic campfire?" Where did I state anything about a BIG COSMIC CAMPFIRE? isnt that your belief?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 11:04 AM
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"I asked you to explain exactly how a God that knows all that shall be creates souls that He knows will never adore Him." To answer you directly: Do you cure cancer by killing the patient, or the cells that cause cancer?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 11:03 AM
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Gheeghee
Where did I mention Islam specifically? Or even generalize about Islam? Please, at least try to be accurate.
--D
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on February 28, 2005 at 11:03 AM
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Gheghee
I asked you to explain exactly how a God that knows all that shall be creates souls that He knows will never adore Him.
It appears that Kooka nailed you. All you do is spew with no real support for your point of view. You're a puppet of a belief system that means to terrorize humanity into compliance.
If I don't open my eyes as you suggest then what will happen to me?
Will your big, bad God come and fry me in His cosmic campfire?
"Lions and tigers and bears! Oh, my!" ("Wizard of Oz" by Frank L. Baum)
--D
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on February 28, 2005 at 11:02 AM
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If you are speaking of Islam, are you talking about those that pray every day for peace, on their knees PUBLICALLY? Your generalization of an entire group of people, D, is noted.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 11:02 AM
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"Don't terrorists threaten people with death if they don't behave in the prescribed manner? Didn't the most violent brand of terrorism also rise from the same region that produced the notion of a terroristic God who will kill your soul forever if you don't meet His demands?" AND WHAT, AGAIN, IS THE MOST VIOLENT BRAND OF TERRORISM?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 11:00 AM
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D: ""To reject God is to KILL YOURSELF." What Hokum!" Is it? Do you believe in God or not? If not, what ground do you stand on with this statement? OPEN YOUR EYES.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 10:56 AM
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"To reject God is to KILL YOURSELF." What Hokum!
So, will God judge the living and the dead or not? I really want to know! And gheeghe...please explain to me how a God that knows everything which shall be still creates souls that He knows will never adore Him. Does He create such rebellious souls just to watch them fry in His cosmic campfire? Now, I know you're tempted to point to free will...that we all have a choice to worship God or not...but how can we change what God already knows if He knows that some souls will never adore Him? Wouldn't our "surprise" change of heart towards God by merely through our free will render His omniscience somewhat less than omniscient? He already knows which souls will change their heart and woship Him. How can mere humans possibly change that?
Don't terrorists threaten people with death if they don't behave in the prescribed manner? Didn't the most violent brand of terrorism also rise from the same region that produced the notion of a terroristic God who will kill your soul forever if you don't meet His demands?
--D
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on February 28, 2005 at 10:40 AM
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do=to (typo)
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 10:36 AM
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empty, yes, I am disputing that. Thousands upon thousands of people from many religions throughout history have had encounters with God, and they are very well documented. These people knew things, as do all of us on some level: "Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them." Romans 2:14-15 (NIV)
He will tell you whatever you want to know, regardless the religion you start in, if you are in a religion at all.
We, the faithful, have a RESPONSIBILITY to share the truth, to point out error, to be courageous in our faith. Faith is not a thing you get, have, and keep; but a way of life, a pattern of behavior, a race to run, a treatment program...etc. FAITH IS A CHOICE. You can choose anything you want, and you can be deceived into choosing wrongly. If your eyes are not open, you may never see that you are being deceived, and the deception, or disease if you will, kills your spirit, just as physical disease kills the body.
This is my duty, as a Christian, to share what I know, and to do so for praise would be for naught. I don't have a religion blog because it's my DUTY do share what I know, and I don't deserve pay for it; nor do I deserve kudos for it. These things I share, I share out of obligation, as the bonds between us, ALL believers, must remain strong.
Every religion has been guided by the hand of God, bringing some truth to the light. To reject religion outright (not a specific religion or aspect of religion, but ALL religion) is to reject God. To reject God is to KILL YOURSELF.
WE AE MANY PARTS: WE ARE ONE BODY. WE ARE MADE IN HIS IMAGE.
As the Cells of the body must keep their bonds strong to withstand disease, we, the "cells," if you will, of the Body of CHRIST (as we Christians refer to the mysterious existence of God) must make our bonds strong as well. We are bound to each other by LOVE. Bound to God by LOVE.
WHAT ARE CHRIST'S TWO COMMANDMENTS??? LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOU'VE GOT, LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURESELF.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 9:27 AM
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the issue is
Kooka says nobody knows.
i get the imjpression that gheeghee disputing that -- that maybe she knows
or -- who knows?
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 28, 2005 at 8:42 AM
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empty: If you want to know what I know, ask God Himself. He will tell you anything you want to know...IF YOUR EYES ARE OPEN, AND IF YOU ARE LISTENING. He can tell you far better than I can.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 8:34 AM
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the LORD
is Yahveh.
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 28, 2005 at 8:06 AM
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I want to know
what Gheeghee knows.
What does she know more than anyone else?
She's not like anyone else?
She does not "see through a glass, darkly"?
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 28, 2005 at 8:05 AM
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"...Jesus began to show his dicsciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer greatly from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised. Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, "God forbid, Lord! No such thing shall ever happen to you." He turned and said to Peter, "GET BEHIND ME, SATAN! YOU ARE AN OBSTACLE TO ME. YOU ARE THINKING NOT AS GOD DOES, BUT AS HUMAN BEINGS DO." Matthew 16:21-23
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 7:36 AM
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"How long, LORD, shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked glory? How long will they mouth haughty speeches, go on boasting, all these evildoers? They crush your people, Lord, torment your very own. They kill the widow and alien; the fatherless they murder. they say, 'The LORD does not see; the God of Jacob takes no notice.'
"...You fools, when will you be wise? Does the one who shaped the ear not hear? The one who formed the eye not see? Does the one who guides nations not rebuke? The one who teaches humans not have knowledge? The LORD does know human plans; they are only puffs of air.
"happy those whom YOU guide, LORD, whom YOU teach by your instruction." Psalm 94:3-12
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 7:32 AM
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"Because of the fruit it bears" is not an ego trip, but words from the BIBLE. You know, that book you know so well?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 7:21 AM
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Kooka
Nice read.Easy to believe.
"Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know."(Michel De Montaigne)
posted by
WileyJohn
on February 27, 2005 at 10:02 PM
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kooka
this is awesome...so nice to see you posting so often. YaY for the truth! love, Dana
posted by
mysteria
on February 27, 2005 at 8:17 PM
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Gheeghee
When have I ever misquoted you? I have time and time again shown you respect. You have time and time again told me I was wrong and that I was wrong because you were right and never have you once backed up a single one of your claims with anything more than saying 'Because of the fruit it bears' or some other such ego trip.
You have yet to do anything more than dance around the issues and attempt to discredit me, so how can you know what I am like? Go and read the comments I leave to those who show respect to me. Pappy is a great example. Go are read the comments he leaves here. They are direct and never does he try to insult me or discredit me. He does not dance around the issue nor does he use childish tactics of saying ' Why should I bother'.
Also, you have yet to leave a single truly constructive comment here. If you would start doing such, then you might have a point to make.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 27, 2005 at 7:40 PM
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And in the future, if you want respect for your opinions, have respect for others and QUOTE THEM DIRECTLY.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 27, 2005 at 7:33 PM
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Why should I bother to give you anything constructive anymore? I've given you my beliefs straight out, information, websites, etc. Have you bothered to click one of the links I've left you?? You've NEVER given anything commented that disagrees with you outright a fair reading without twisting, ridiculing, insulting, and bashing. Are you looking for answers, or are you looking for AMMO?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 27, 2005 at 7:22 PM
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I need to rephrase that
When I wrote, “spoke the words of God”. I was really trying to say something a little more like, “you expressed the nature of God in this post.”
posted by
justAcarpenter
on February 27, 2005 at 7:21 PM
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Gheeghee
I have no problem with people reading my post, if they show me some respect and instead of decided that they know it all, understand that there really are an infinite number of possibilities out there. You are obviously gaining nothing at all from reading my posts because you are blind to anything that disagrees with you fragile views of the universe. if all you are doing is reading my posts so that you can tell me I am wrong and not back yourself up, then you are wasting my time as well as your own. I really do not care about the clicks as much as I care about truly and honestly sharing ideas. I do not just tell people they are wrong and then dance around the why saying that they just would not understand. You have never once backed up a single idea of yours with any of substance.
If you could leave constructive comments that back up what you claims then I would have no problem. You have yet to do such a thing.
If your faith is so strong and you know it is right, then how in the world can you believe that ti would be possible to change your faith on a whim? I know I have no choice in what I believe and it sounds as though you have even less. I at least can accept the simple fact that there is a chance my beliefs are wrong because I can accept the simple fact that we know nothing and that all beliefs have a real good chance of being wrong. You will not even try to accept such a fact.
And it is ego to show such disrespect to the rest of the world by claiming that you beliefs are the absolute correct one without proof of such beyond your own faith. You obviously have an ego and you obviously have no respect for the rest of the world if they disagree with you.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 27, 2005 at 7:15 PM
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Not my ego, sweetie, but my faith. If you don't want people reading your post, why write it? Isn't it my perrogative to make the choice to read your work, to make the choice to challenge what you claim to be true?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 27, 2005 at 4:00 PM
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Gheeghee
You need to go and reread this post and look at the times when I talk about those who walk around claiming they already know ti all. All in all you really should just stop reading my stuff because your ego will never allow you to understand my points. You are very much blind to reality and are living in what much be a nice dream world. It helps here to show just why it is so hard to deal with you. You are so full of yourself that you can not come close to admitting that you might be wrong. Your fragile little world will fall completely apart if you came out and said there were flaws in your beliefs. You are too wrapped up in yourself and felling so high and mighty that you will never allow yourself for one moment to listen to anyone else's views or give respect to others.
It is just sad that so many of my points, especially this one which is a very universal truth, are too much for you to listen to.
I am really starting to wonder why I bother replying to you. You know it all and that will never change I guess. I hope one of these days you learn humility, because you clearly show time and again you are far from being humble.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 27, 2005 at 3:04 PM
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gheeghee knows
right?
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 27, 2005 at 1:52 PM
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I totally agree. I humbly admit that I don't have all the answers (or any of them!) and I get really tired of those who claim that they do, and that
their way is right, and the only way. I don't follow any religion, nor do I discount any of them, or anyone's belief system.
posted by
Holy_Grail
on February 27, 2005 at 9:31 AM
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"The simple fact is we know nothing. Not a single one of us has a clue as to what really is going on in this universe. We are all equal in the simple idea that we know nothing." Speak for yourself, unless you are a mind-reader...are you, Kooka?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 27, 2005 at 9:17 AM
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“accurate workings of the universe because I have faith in them.”
kooka…you spoke the words of God in this post…
Just like you…I know nothing…but something does…
Because despite of my stupidity…Existence continues…
Even Atheists have faith in The Truth…
Great post kooka…
posted by
justAcarpenter
on February 27, 2005 at 12:52 AM
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