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Gheeghee
-"You are claiming that you know your beliefs are the pure ideas of Christianity" Quote me directly--when did I claim this?
-"then how do you know which variation of Christianity is the right one?" HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TYPE IT??? BY THE FRUIT IT BEARS!!!
Those are your two comments. Are you really that confused when ti comes to english? They were the two comments before my comment. In my' comment I refer to them directly. Sorry, but it would not take a brain surgeon to figure that out. I really recommend you start to take a deep breath before you write comments, because you are really making yourself look more and more foolish every time you get overly emotional and leave a obviously poorly though out comment. I really am starting to believe you have no clue as to what you are saying.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 28, 2005 at 5:37 PM
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WHERE, KOOKA??? QUOTE ME DIRECTLY.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 28, 2005 at 10:32 AM
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Gheeghee
You might wish to start thinking before you get emotional and make comment such as the last two. In one you claim that you know your ideas of Christianity is the right one, and then you try to claim that you have never said your idea of Christianity is the right one.
So are you saying that you follow the right ideas of Christianity, but they are not the pure ideas? Can the right beliefs not be the pure ones? Are you admitting that you do not follow the true ideas of Christianity?
And once more, the fruit the my beliefs bear is the best possible fruit, since I am as happy as a person can be with their life. So I can not understand how such a thing makes your beliefs the right one. Maybe right for you, but there is nothing there to prove them to be the right beliefs for everyone.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 27, 2005 at 7:55 PM
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"You are claiming that you know your beliefs are the pure ideas of Christianity" Quote me directly--when did I claim this?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 27, 2005 at 7:30 PM
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"then how do you know which variation of Christianity is the right one?" HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TYPE IT??? BY THE FRUIT IT BEARS!!!
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 27, 2005 at 7:29 PM
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Gheeghee
Then do you see my point? If all of them believe as strongly as you do that their faith is the right one and that their faith has brought them the same positive aspects that your has, then how do you know which variation of Christianity is the right one?
You are claiming that you know your beliefs are the pure ideas of Christianity, yet you have just pointed out that all other Christians you have known who have followed the other branches of Christianity would all claim to gain the same as what you are saying you gain.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 22, 2005 at 10:09 AM
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"And just how many other Christians who do not believe in your ideas of Christianity bear the same fruit?" Of the ones I've met, ALL OF THEM.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 22, 2005 at 9:46 AM
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Gheeghee
And just how many other Christians who do not believe in your ideas of Christianity bear the same fruit?
In fact I most likely bear just as good of fruit as you do.
You really do not see the level of ego in that way of thinking.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 22, 2005 at 9:41 AM
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am guessing you are unaware of the underlining egotistical idea of you comment through. How do you know that your beliefs are the true teachings of Christ?" By the fruit it bears.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 22, 2005 at 9:34 AM
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Pappy
I have no need for a belief in any kind of higher power to give my life meaning. Even if I did not believe that we were part of a greatly whole that is the universe and we fill a need that is there, I would still have meaning in my life. My boys alone give me life meaning. Even if we are just a random creation, that does not mean there is no meaning to us being here. We are here and we can make things better and keep humanity going strong into the future. There really is little logic to the idea of a need for God to have created us for there to be a meaning to life. If anything I see the idea of God as removing meaning from out lives.
We should do good because it is what will create a better future for our children and their children and so on. When we do not do what is right and what is needed, we hurt the future and make things harder.
Once more I would like to thank you for posting a good and proper comment that does not dance around the point of the post, but instead clearly states your beliefs and is direct about how you see things. Even if I do not agree with some of what you say, it is still the kind of comments I would like to see more of.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 22, 2005 at 9:14 AM
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Gheeghee
“This is why I believe each person must make the utmost effort to maintain an authentic desire to know the truth when looking for answers.”
Well that describes me and my goals very well.
I am guessing you are unaware of the underlining egotistical idea of you comment through. How do you know that your beliefs are the true teachings of Christ? I would bet anything that in every single denomination of Christianity there are people who believe with the same amount of conviction that their faiths and ideas are the true faith and ideas of Christ.
This just helps to point out just how much w do create our own ‘truths’.
I started to ask the hard questions after I realized that there was no god. It was after that when I kept hitting the walls of believers dancing around the question and saying ‘One should just not doubt the will of God’. Much like you do. In fact you are more than willing to justify asking the question, but very rarely do you actually go and give a real, honest answer. Instead you dance around trying to discredit the question and show that there is no point to the question. Not really a better approach there. But the point is that I had already woken up to the simple fact that there was not a God before I saw just how bad religious beliefs were and just how blind those who believed really were.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 22, 2005 at 8:59 AM
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Kooka, I left this comment a few months ago, it still applies
I think the argument generally follows the line that without some form of belief in a higher power that keeps the books, then there is no real reason to do good. Of course, animals could not survive if they were all crazed sociopaths, so living dictates some reasonableness of a creature's actions. I guess the real question becomes, what would a higher power be? Natural laws? Kharma? Some old guy with a white beard? The only natural law I can think of that could keep a record is light. The reflection of light off our bodies and the electomagnetic signature that an EEG can pick up radiates out into space at the speed of light and becomes a permanent record somewhere, tiny though it may be. As we speed through space at two hundred miles per second around the Milky Way we leave a trail behind that if we had eyes that could see would look like a spiral of light trailing out behind. In the four score years of our life it expands to most of the visible stars in the night sky. It is the sum total of all that we have ever done and it is never lost. In a way, it is us and it is as big as the sky we can see. Where in all that lies good and evil? I don't know. Reason can only go so far, so I have chosen the vehicle of faith to take me out beyond where I could not otherwise go. I have nothing but good things to say about the ride, but I can understand why I would be looked upon as foolish for saying it was truth. Neverthelees, I do say it.
posted by
pappy
on February 21, 2005 at 2:45 PM
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inquisition was a European thing
not just Spanish.
French, etc.
the Church planted the seeds for Hitler's
Final Solution -- then, turned its back when Jews were taken out of their houses and deported right in the shadow of the Vatican.
anti-Jewishness was prevalent almost from the start. Much of the gospels was written from an anti-Jewish viewpoint.
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 21, 2005 at 11:40 AM
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To read more about Inquistions click here:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08026a.htm
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 21, 2005 at 11:23 AM
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"We need to look at religion and asks every question possible about those beliefs in order to start understanding any aspect of just what man really is about." I agree with this statement 100%.
While any religion is a good place to start, it's essentially just a housing of information, and those who tend to that information can either choose to tend it for God or tend it for themselves. It's because of the motivations of individuals using their religion as a means for their own end that we have so many religions across so many walks of life, making anyone's personal quest a nightmare.
We see evidence of this in every religion in every age, including my own religion, Catholicism. While the information might all be there, the PEOPLE stand in the way of the believer looking for answers. Look at The Spanish Inquisition: some idiot bishop went on a power trip, and without the permission of Rome went on a killing spree. The actions of that one idiot and his cohort did more damage than he even realized at the time, and even though Rome stopped him as quickly as possible when they caught wind of it, the damage was done.
The individuals that told you that there are questions that shouldn't be asked is no different. They share the exact same mentality shared by that Spanish Bishop, only here in 21st C. America they can't burn at the stake over religion anymore, thanks to the first amendment. They can just do dumb things like tell you there are questions that shouldn't be asked and such nonsense. And now the damage is done, for doubt was planted in your mind.
Christianity for example: It's ultimately supposed to be based on the same thing: Christ. If there was only one Christ, though, how could there be thousands of Christian denominations? Because thousands of people over the centuries put their ideas before the fundamentals of their faith as instructed by Christ. This is why I believe each person must make the utmost effort to maintain an authentic desire to know the truth when looking for answers.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 21, 2005 at 10:19 AM
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Hey, as long as there is pie in the afterlife, I don't care what it really is.
posted by
roofpig
on February 21, 2005 at 5:23 AM
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man was created to have a love relationship with God
and spend eternity learning and exploring the depths of the knowledge and ecstacy of God and the universe and beyond. Like spending eternity at Daddys side asking questions about anything and everything) and learning and growing in intelligence and knowledge. That is heaven.
posted by
drasticmeasures
on February 20, 2005 at 6:05 PM
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