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Gheeghee
I am not mean. That is just your impression of it.
Insults? No, I do not insult. I point out the flaws in your logic and try to get you to look at how you are expressing yourself. Find one example of a pure insult that I have made.
You dance around my questions and try to paint yourself as having a better grasp on ‘truth’ than me. You attempt to discredit me at every turn and just make me look bad for the sack of making me look bad. You do not admit when you have made a mistake in you logic. You can not admit that I might have a good point at times, even if you do not agree with it. If you wish to try to prove me wrong do it by pointing out facts or your own personal beliefs an the subject (Although do not express beliefs as being fact, their are opinions. Look at Pappy’s comments for a great example of how to do this). Do not try to discredit the idea because of typos or try to make me look bad by going off onto insignificant elements such as what you were deign in regards with the post on God not answering prayers.
Are you saying I should just sit back and allow for you to drag my ideas around and try to make me look the fool? Sorry, but when you play such rude and men games with me I am going to tell you that I am very much aware of just what you are doing and I will not hold back. If you show me respect and make comments that stay on subject and directly address the point of the post you will find that I show such respect back. Maybe you are just blind to what you are doing, as have been many other believers who come in here nod dance around the issues as you do and then get upset when I point out to them what they are doing.
Here is an idea. Stop treating my posts as a challenge to your beliefs. See them as an open sharing of ideas. Comment on the idea and with you believe about and why you believe such. Try not to discredit the idea with comments that really are not about the subject of the post.
Go back and read the comments you have left and see just what attitude you show there. I generally try to be more polite than people are to me here in the comments sections. If you feel that I am being mean and rude to you, you might wish to look at what you keep saying to get such a response from me. And look at how Pappy replies to me. I do not agree with him, but I show him the respects he shows me. He presents his beliefs as beliefs and he addresses the questions directly, even if he has no answer for them.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 22, 2005 at 9:59 AM
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Meaning, I've asked you questions, you've packed your responses with insults and rudeness. You are flat out not nice. Why?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 22, 2005 at 9:39 AM
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Then why are you mean?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 22, 2005 at 9:37 AM
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Gheeghee
And you have no idea what I have experienced and lived through. You do not know what I know. And therefore you can not understand what I understand. You know that very single person in the world, no matter faith or life style or so on can say that and it is as equally true.
Such a comment does not for one moment back up the idea that my answers are no good because they do not agree with your beliefs.
If anything such a statement helps to back up my idea of everyone creating their own reality and their own ‘truths’. We each have lived our own personal live and through that we have come to the understandings that we have. In the end your understanding of life is no more or less valid than mine.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 22, 2005 at 8:50 AM
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Just because I'm not giving you the answers you want to hear doesn't mean I don't hear you. You don't know what I know, haven't experienced what I experience, therefore you don't understand what I understand.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 21, 2005 at 10:24 AM
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Gheeghee
I get the feeling that whole post was wasted on you. You did not even come close to understanding a thing I said did you?
Can you not break away from your own personal ego and see that what you are claiming as the 'truth' is not proven and is purely based on belief? It matters not how many believe it, it does not make it true. If some day there is absolute proof provided, then you can start calling it truth and not 'truth'. Until the it is pure egotistical arrogance to claim you belief are the end all and be all of 'truth' just because they are what you believe.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 20, 2005 at 3:00 PM
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Universe
Every creation has it's angle at looking at what is thought to be their version of truth.
posted by
Experience
on February 20, 2005 at 8:01 AM
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Truth does not exist.
only our individual truths.
and paradoxically enough, Truth indeed does exist.
The Truth is Out There, to borrow from X-Files. Yes it is indeed -- Truth is because the Universe is. The Universe is Truth. Truth is what exists.
Only thing is, we are only an infinitesimal part of what Truth is.
Like a slice of a biological specimen in a microscope. The MOST that we see fits onto that slide. What we see and know as Truth is that slide -- whereas The Truth is the entire organism fro mwhich it came. The slide doesn't even begin to give us information about the whole organism -- just a small representation.
And then, each individual -- each congregation -- each denomination -- the best that even the largest of these can do is to perceive maybe just one cell of that slide specimen -- and to each set of eyes, what they perceive is Absolute Truth because that is all that they see. Their vision has a radius -- like shining a flashlight in the darkness -- what the light hits is what they -- we -- see. And each is shining the flashlight from a particular, individual point from where what they see looks entirely different from what every other individual sees.
If we all were perceive that this is truly what we perceive, then we would perceive more.
For all our "truths" are simply what we consider the most valid -- when we understand that the best and those considered most spiritual among us still only "see through a glass, darkly", then our understanding increases infinitely.
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 20, 2005 at 6:33 AM
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"The connection between what one believes and what one clings to as the 'truth' is very strong." This I agree with, though, "Your beliefs very much create your truths." I do not agree with. There is a difference between reality and perception, and though YOU do not believe in absolute truth, there are plenty who do, and base their faith around that truth. If you do not believe this, that is your choice.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 20, 2005 at 12:16 AM
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very true
posted by
drasticmeasures
on February 19, 2005 at 9:13 PM
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drasticmeasures
Yes. Star Wars (The classic trilogy) is filled with great quotes that can be applied to real life.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 19, 2005 at 6:59 PM
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hey wait a minute
didn't Obi wan kenobi say that when he was a ghost?
posted by
drasticmeasures
on February 19, 2005 at 4:12 PM
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