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"The basic idea of faith are not choices." Click here for a definition of FAITH.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 11, 2005 at 2:05 PM
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Gheeghee
Yes, I have no choice but to not believe in God.
I find it strange that so many believers can not understand this concept. I do not sit back and say "I don't want to believe in God". I am just completely and totally unable to believe in God.
Are you able to not believe in God? No. You are just lying to yourself to claim otherwise. Do you really think you can just give up your belief in God just like that? That would so a very big weakness in your faith if you thought that way.
You do not have a choice. You are not able to not believe in God.
Why? I really do not know. The basic idea of faith are not choices. They are personal and true faith is not something one choose, but rather what one feels is right for them. If your faith is true faith then you have no choice but to believe that way.
I have no choice but to not believe in God. You have no choice but to believe in God.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 10, 2005 at 9:25 PM
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"It is completely impossible for me to believe in God. I CAN NOT believe. it really is that simple." Do you mean that you don't have a choice? Is it some kind of physical thing? Is there something about your body chemistry that renders faith "impossible" for you? If you believe will something horrible happen to you? What, I wonder, could possibly put a person in such a position? You "CAN NOT believe." Lucky for me, I have a choice. I don't take the leap and stop believing in God because I MAKE THE CHOICE TO BELIEVE IN GOD.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 10, 2005 at 4:57 PM
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gheeghee
I have tried to explain this many times before. There is no leap I can take.
Why don't you take a leap and stop believing in God?
It is completely impossible for me to believe in God. I CAN NOT believe. it really is that simple.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 5, 2005 at 3:02 PM
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but since pastorb is gone, no point arguing with her anymore.
posted by
e6airforce
on February 5, 2005 at 12:32 PM
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GheeGhee and PastorB are right
posted by
e6airforce
on February 5, 2005 at 12:31 PM
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here:
I got you another fan, kid . . .
MY SON (KOOKA) - THE DESTROYER OF WORLDS
I'm glad I read this. Now I want to immediately read Kooka's posts...
renigade3
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 4, 2005 at 9:10 AM
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Kooka: well, as you can see, the statement he made was not all he said,
and when taken in context of the whole interview his statement is nothing more than a declaration of his faith. You did, however, make an excellent point, in that our physical well being should never be put in jeopardy as a result of our faith, and I totally agree with this, and the brand of Christianity I subscribe to upholds this as well.
Dude, if you would just take the leap....
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 4, 2005 at 8:24 AM
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gheeghee
I never implied that he was ignoring his doctors or not following treatment, just that his attitude could be destructive to his body if he followed it to a logical conclusion from his statement.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 4, 2005 at 7:35 AM
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Everyone, look at this quote
"They can go by the doctor's prognosis of the extent of this type of injury. I respect Dr. Myerson and his decision to not medically clear me, but prior to going down to see him for that last visit I can honestly say God had already cleared me. It really doesn't matter what a doctor says. I've got the best doctor of all and that's God.”
That is beyond simple faith in God there. This guy is saying that he needs to heed the doctors if he wishes not to. He 'knows' God has cleared him. That is ego, that is poor judgment, that is just foolish. How does he know how healed he really is? Did God come to him and tell him he was fine to play? It is one thing to feel better and believe that God has helped you get there, but another thing to believe that God has completely healed you fully when the doctors are warning you to watch it. That statement does make it look as though he might be foolish enough to take risks and possible cause himself greater injury.
As for God being the best doctor of all, no way. Unless I am missing something strongly religious people get infections and serious injuries which do not heal and all kind of sickness that ends up crippling them or killing them. God really does not seem to be that concerned with healing all those who believe in him. My friend who died two years ago was a believer and all of his family believed as well. While he was in his coma people prayed for him to be healed. He never came out of the coma. Belief alone is not going to heal people. They need to listen to their doctors and not believe that they know God has healed them fully.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 4, 2005 at 7:33 AM
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Thank you Gheeghee
For your correction.
It is the Jehovah's Witnesses who are against blood transfusions, not the Mormons. I get those two groups confused sometimes I will admit. They both just seem way out there even for religious groups.
posted by
kooka_lives
on February 4, 2005 at 7:24 AM
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empty, trusting God doesn't mean that you are blind to reality
and yes Ghee, I agree with you, it is.
posted by
PastorB
on February 3, 2005 at 3:00 PM
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well . . .
there's trusting god and then there's failing to see some real circumstances.
none of us can get into the mind of Terrill Owens; and maybe he feels all right.
or maybe he feels that he is all right without substantiation
i hope with all my being that he's well and that he can play and that his injury won't be exacerbated Sunday.
But I REALLY hope that he is not in the name of faith in the healing of god turning a blind eye to reality. that can be deleterious.
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 3, 2005 at 2:54 PM
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PastorB: I think that's the whole point of his statement, don't you?
To trust God no matter what?
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 3, 2005 at 1:28 PM
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GheeGhee, you're right.
And although I don't believe in traditional medicine myself--but prefer natural health and homeopathic remedies, I still believe that there are doctors who are being guided by God. Whether that's the case with Owens I don't know. But I believe that Owens is practicing his faith in knowing that God is big enough to heal him and that in itself is part of the battle--trusting God enough.
posted by
PastorB
on February 3, 2005 at 11:33 AM
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PastorB...right, I've seen both.
Owens hasn't really forgone treatment as this post indicated, but rather has experienced something that he considers to be miraculous.
Owens is currently under medical supervision: "(on how much pain he has right now) “The pain is very minimal. A lot of people don’t know the extent of my pain and they don’t know my body. They can go by the doctor’s prognosis of the extent of this type of injury. I respect Dr. Myerson and his decision to not medically clear me, but prior to going down to see him for that last visit I can honestly say God had already cleared me. It really doesn’t matter what a doctor says. I’ve got the best doctor of all and that’s God.” (from his press conference on Feb 1. To see the rest of the interview click The Official Site Of Terrell Owens.)
All Owens is saying here is that he has faith in God. He has not forgone any medical treatment, as he's put trust in his physician.
While the information on Owens was not presented accurately by Kooka, there is no doubt that people should exercise caution when it comes to their health, and to not be foolish. I'd say that Owens is providing a good example of how we should approach our health. He believes he's been cured, but is still under physicians care. Very wise.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 3, 2005 at 11:22 AM
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I know for a fact that God can and does heal people, but I also know
that God uses people as tools to facilitate healing.
posted by
PastorB
on February 3, 2005 at 10:54 AM
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In case any of the readers here would like to know more
click here. It's the interview with Owens
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 3, 2005 at 10:51 AM
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did he say he listened to god?
how is he certain that's who was talking to him?
I am suspicious of many aspects of modern medicine -- like I don't get flu shots -- Kooka's mom knows why -- she worked with influenza -- the flu shot is from last year's virus strain -- this year's strain can be something different. I got a flu shot once and that year a new flu came around that the shot was impotent against.
but -- in this case -- if Drs say Terrill might do damage to an injured part if he plays, then Terrill should be cautious.
And if he does injure himself so that he cannot play, then how is he going to explain that? "Just God's will?"
posted by
Xeno-x
on February 3, 2005 at 7:34 AM
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Yep kooka_lives -- and in all of this most people do not see how they
denigrate their own message. Like the omnipotent creator gives a flying fig about a football game? Both sides will pray before the game, many individuals will pray to perform or to be spared from injury and the victor will claim that God was on their side. I have always wondered how fully grown adults can get past this breakdown in logic. If both sides are praying for victory, what was the criteria that God used to grant victory to one side over the other? ....In Terrel Owens case he is obviously just another parrot, saying the things that he thinks go over with a mostly believing public. Never mind if it does not make any sense.
posted by
gomedome
on February 3, 2005 at 6:31 AM
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Yeah, Gheeghee's right, it's Jehovah's Witnesses. My brother's friend's mom is one and he confronted her one day with the scenario that if he was in a car accident and needed her blood to live, would she give it? She said no. So it's really no wonder to me why he hates her.
posted by
roofpig
on February 3, 2005 at 5:47 AM
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Live and Learn
My husbands a die hard Eagles fan. Actually a sport fanatic. That's Terrill Owens your talking about. If he has faith in God that much as to say God healed him, Im glad. But he should listen to the doctors and what they say. But I don't believe all doctors are doing right either.How many drugs out there on TV. How doctors recomend so many drugs to people.
posted by
Experience
on February 3, 2005 at 3:07 AM
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kooka
That was probably Terrell Owens. And I'm sure in his case it has nothing to do with any real faith. He's just a blow-hard, big-mouth, show-off. But I realize that wasn't the point of your post.
posted by
Holy_Grail
on February 2, 2005 at 5:20 PM
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re blood transfusions: Jahovah's Witnesses do not believe in blood transfusions.
posted by
Gheeghee
on February 2, 2005 at 4:50 PM
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