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PastorB
I have solid proof that it was family that helped my mother.
My mother is alive today because of family. There is no doubt at all in my mind of that.
There is great doubt as to if there even is a God. There was nothing about any of what my mother went through that had the feeling of a guiding hand helping her or some higher power being involved. If anything the accident itself could be called an act of God (Her car just flipped in the middle of a highway. It looks ot have been break problem but no one was ever able to find the cause and the insurance company just wanted to get on with things instead of investigating the reasons) and I would be must more willing to believe that God caused her accident before believing God had anything at all to do with her recovery. Of course first one would have to prove to me that here is a God before I would be willing to go that next step.
I know for a fact my mother has a family, since I am part of that family. I know for a fact it was her hearing us being a family that caused her to have the desire to get better. I know for a fact that her family was there every step of the way to support her and help her push herself to get better. I have solid proof of this mostly because I was there.
I have no evidence at all that God was involved in any of it. By the time my mother started to really recover, those who were praying had more or less stopped (It had been a month already and I guess they just let it all slip). I know this because the one lady who was the biggest about how prayers can make a difference had mentioned something shortly after that about how God takes his time since it had been several weeks since she last prayed for my mother. I was polite and said nothing. Basically it was not until after people stopped praying for my mother that she got better. That to me says a lot.
She got better after the first time all of us were together in the room with her and we were talking louder than we had been and she heard us. That is when things got better for her, not when people were praying for her.
I know you have that hang up about the idea of proof, but in this case I have all the proof I need to know that the power of family and loved ones is the power that matter.
I am of course really lost as to your point here. I have already talked in the past about how people create what they wish to believe. Those who have the tunnel of light and such are seeing what their mind create for them when they are near death. I myself have had out of body experiences and believe them to just be my mind playing tricks on me.
As is par for you, most of your comment really made no sense to the subject matter.
I give credit to the doctors for their work, the man with the cell phone who called 911 and stayed with my mother till help arrived and with my family for being there to help her remember that there was something worth living for. Those are the people who saved my mothers life. Of that I have undeniable proof. AS far as I can figure if there is a God he was not there and had nothing to do with the recovery part. If you wish for me to believe in God and out him in there, I can give him credit for trying to kill my mother since that seems to be the only part that we have no proof as to what really happened.

posted by kooka_lives on January 27, 2005 at 7:52 PM | link to this | reply

But who created those people in your life? How do you know it wasn't
the prayers of others that helped your Mother? You still have no solid proof! And many people have experienced near death situations--I was once clinically dead for 4 minutes-but each persons experience is different, so how can you say one was "right" and one was "wrong"? One was valid, the other invalid, just because it was not YOUR personal experience??

posted by PastorB on January 27, 2005 at 2:00 PM | link to this | reply

KooKa Love your style
You are a grand tributary into my great lake of inspiration!  wOw

posted by mysteria on January 26, 2005 at 10:18 PM | link to this | reply

very good

posted by Xeno-x on January 26, 2005 at 3:51 PM | link to this | reply