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I have a strong belief, strong enough to not even want to push it as I
know pushing never gets a person anywhere. Pushing a belief makes no sense whatsoever because making someone do something and feel something the way that you do is not possible, it's up to them.
posted by
Kelli
on January 29, 2005 at 10:40 PM
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I have seen athiests who push their beliefs
the same way that some religious people do. In my experience, very few people are polite when it comes to their beliefs. One of the most obnoxious ways that people push their beliefs is through ridicule. Often very highly educated people, especially professors like this trick. The problem isn't just with the relgious.
posted by
Make2short
on January 29, 2005 at 10:35 PM
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hiking in the back country ody
there's food all around if one looks
more people have problems surviving in the wilderness because they don't know.
maybe another analogy would be learning what is available to eat in the wilderness
then one can be filled with what is provided -- and everyone can share in the bounty there.
and each individual can find food and present it for sharing.
and people then can eat according to their palate
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 18, 2005 at 8:37 AM
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Ody
First off I the post talks about pushing religion, not sharing. I have already addressed the difference there in the post, which I do not think you understood.
Second it is very much possible that your friends went and found food elsewhere that is more to their taste and will fill them up just as well as the food you found. This idea really fits into my second example in the post. For some reason you are assuming that the food you found is the only food there is when you have no proof of this. If your friends found food elsewhere and were able to survive with that food then where is the point in forcing them to come and take the food you found? That is just ego to believe that you are the only one able to find food at all and that everyone needs to accept the food you found, even if they are able to find food themselves. There are many, many sources of food after all.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 17, 2005 at 5:07 PM
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well here
there's plenty of food from which to choose.
the reader simply has to decide
which suits him/her best
I will purport that each is truth
to the expressor
and that the recipient of such expression has to decide
what is truth for him/her.
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 17, 2005 at 3:24 PM
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Odysseus -- good analogy?
Hardly. You know that a person who has not eaten for a period of time is hungry and needs food. You do not know that a person who does not want to listen to your message needs to hear it. The first is common and objective knowledge while the latter is a judgement call. A determination made entirely from you own belief system. It doesn't really matter how much you believe it to be right or needed, as soon as you do not take no for an answer you are imposing your beliefs on others.
posted by
gomedome
on January 17, 2005 at 1:40 PM
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ODY, that is by far the very best explaination I've heard!
posted by
PastorB
on January 17, 2005 at 12:38 PM
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A third reason people share their beliefs
is to convey valuable insight. The best analogy I can think of is what if we went hiking and got lost for days in the backcountry and ran out of food. Wandering about hungry, we disagree about which way to go and so we split up, each embarking in different directions. If I then alone stumble upon a cache of food in an abandoned cabin, I’m suddenly confronted with a choice. I can settle down and try to enjoy it all myself, or I can go back and find you and tell you about it. When I go back and find you, disillusioned with hunger, you decide that I’m simply trying to entice you to go the way I want to go and am being pushy and so you won’t follow. I jump up and down, tell you how I got there, tell you what is there, tell you how to get there, but you simply won’t listen. I finally give up and leave you again and go back to the cabin, but I can’t be satisfied. Even though I’m full, the thought of you hungry and alone in the cold darkness keeps bugging me. So I come back, again and again and again.
posted by
telemachus
on January 17, 2005 at 12:35 PM
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I know the responses you're going to get
I've read and heard all of them.
If you've read posts and comments around here then you know
theirs is the only true way to salvation and they love others so much that they are trying to keep them from hell.
well and good
that's their belief
that's their preference
you will not talk them out of that.
now -- don't argue with them about either. they don't believe you and you don't believe them.
but on the first point you make -- that's correct -- a huge edifice of a denomination believes that it is the only true church and that all others are anathema, heretics, and mainly infidels to the faith. They have enforced their belief as the one true way in many ways -- torture, killing, burning at the stake, and today, enormous pressure from the upper eschelons -- higher "officers" in the church rule that which beneath them with an iron hand -- and the organizations of control basically sweep everything in their path aside and rule without regard to the welfare and benefit of those affects.
I would support this denomination just as much as I would support any denomination except for this attitude that their administrators have toward those over whom they administrate.
I have no problem with an individual's belief. I have a problem with those who sin by violating the individual's rights.
There's my rant for the day.
posted by
Xeno-x
on January 17, 2005 at 8:50 AM
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