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"When you point a finger, three more point back at you."

One of my favorite quotes.

posted by Shavonne on December 23, 2004 at 11:15 AM | link to this | reply

steelerman

ow are you ever so very beyond belief making connections that are just not there at all.

Guess what? I look at porn. Guess what? I have no desire to do anything to children. I like adult women. Of course I am also faithful to my wife. She knows I look at porn from time to time. Sometimes I show it to her if I think she will find it amusing. You have made about the most ignorant and idiotic assumptions. Watching porn does not mean one is a pedophile or even close to being a pedophile. It is just like the strange idea that homosexuality leads to bestiality. You can not group all sexual ideas together in such a way. There is no logic at all to that. Is show a hugh level of ignorance. Does a couple who lets the women be on top, or enjoys trying other positions mean that such a couple is going to soon end up with an open relationship or commit sex crimes? I don't think so, but it is the same kind of logic you are using to protest porn.

"If it feels good do it, as long as it does not hurt anyone" is more like it. All the liberls I know are along that line of thinking. They are vey much responisble for their actions. I have very often talked about responsibility, which very much goes against the ideas of forcing anyone to do anything they do not wish to do. Enjoyment of life and being responsible for one's actions need to go hand in hand.

Honestly your comment really showed just how ignorant and blind you are.

posted by kooka_lives on December 10, 2004 at 7:49 AM | link to this | reply

Kelli

The idea of judging a person form one's own experiences does not fit into what the Christians do though. They will protest Homosexuals and abortions and many other things that they really have had no experience with and are just fully judging others. They can use passages in the Bible to back up what they are claiming, but it is still a level which is very much unfair judgment.

I wish others would listen to the simple truth of what you said. They won't and will keep on going around judging the actions and life styles of others just because they have some sense of superiority that says they know better.

posted by kooka_lives on December 10, 2004 at 7:39 AM | link to this | reply

neamer

Let's see just how wrong you have made yourself.

Firs off I am very much antiabortion, but I due to various present attitudes towards sex and such, there has been a hugh lack of any responsibility created because too many are still trying to deal with sex the old fashioned way, instead of teaching their children and so we are going to have to accept abortion until we as a society have grown beyond that. I wrote a whole post in my "Why can't I Sue the Whole Country' blog.

Second, if you have not heard practicing Christians call Homosexuals abominations, you need to get out more. They have done it right here on Blogit. There are several web pages out there that are nothing but doing such., I have personally seen up close a group of protesters who have ahd signs that say as much. It is everywhere as long as you are not trying to be blind to it.

You are just so far off on this one. But you know what? it is a waste of time for me to try and point out reason to you. You have made it very clear that you have no respect for other's views and are so blinded by your beliefs that you are not going to notice just how destructive the actions of many Christians are to our society.

Our family values are degrading because too many are still trying to force the out dated ideas on their children and it is just not working. Trying to blame the acceptance of homosexuals and such is just pointing the finger and achieves nothing at all. Of course that often seems to be the path Christians wish to take. Many seem to think that if you point the finger and make sure you are not to blame, then you are doing good, because in their minds no one can blame them for the problem they are causing.

posted by kooka_lives on December 10, 2004 at 7:33 AM | link to this | reply

steeler

you are buying into the myth
pornography equals deviancy
hmmmmm
if that were true, then I have an idea that our jails would be filled with 80% of the population
I guess we should find some statistics -- out of so many millions of men who view pornographic (subjective definition) materials, how many really are sexual deviants?
I know your views come from your background -- so you are coming from one point of view -- and you think it is god's
only problem is, so many Christians think their viewpoint is god's and yet their viewpoint differs radically from yours.
this is all right --
and this could be the problem -- how can you convince someone that you are right when someone else of your same religion can say that you are wrong and they are right?

posted by Xeno-x on December 10, 2004 at 7:29 AM | link to this | reply

sheesh neamer

you're phobic
there's a paper tiger running all over your family values and threatening your paradigm.
I know it's hard for you to understand about homosexuality -- as is the case with many bloggers here --
if you understood, then you'd feel a lot more relieved.
what you perceive as a threat really isn't
you can live your life -- you can teach your children -- you can fellowship with other Christians of your persuasion -- you can worship and express as you please.
your children will get married and enjoy a satisfying heterosexual relationship
whether or not the marriage lasts is not for me to know -- or you either
it depends upon what you and the parents of your child's spouse have taught your children.
you act as though your values have been the norm throughout history -- up to the 60's, and then the world fell apart.
sorry -- that's not the case. I would venture to say that more people have lived outside your values than inside. the 60's -- it all just came out into the open.
you will notice that your world has not fallen apart -- and there have been 40 years for this to happen -- more, really, if you are realistic.
and the world will not fall apart.
In fact, I believe it will improve and solidify -- but in order for this to happen, Christian provincialism, exclusivism and desire for tyrannical control over others' lives will have to end.

posted by Xeno-x on December 10, 2004 at 7:17 AM | link to this | reply

Really, Who Cares...

if your neighbor happens to be itno porn. Who cares if you see your neighbor showing a more than usual interest in your 5 year old child. Who cares if your neighbor sexuaaly abuses your 5 year old child. I care if it was your child Kooka. Your comments here prove the usual liberal outlook on life such as "If it feels good then do it" or "if it doesn't bother me then I don't care". Thanks for making help promote my part 7 topic to another in my What Is Wrong With Our Culture? This posts goes hand in hand with what I was going to post next on my blog. Typical liberal response. Once again this thought process is part of the cancer eating away at this nation.

posted by RedStatesMan on December 10, 2004 at 6:35 AM | link to this | reply

I still beleive that a person judges another from their own experiences

with whatever it is they are talking about, judging as in you know "a crook knows a crook", but how can you judge anything without first experiencing it?  Even then, it's just your own opinion named in a way that makes it seem forced upon others.  Plus, things and people change.  I know I used to be very judgmental about people that said they were depressed, I thought that was all crap, until depression almost took my life.  I thought abortions were okay, until i had one and have to remember it throughout the rest of my life no matter how my views change, I cannot change that.  It's too bad that I want to now that I've done it, too bad we have to learn so much from our mistakes, why can't everyone know the right thing to do?  Because no one is perfect, and I accept that as I've never been in the shoes of another with a viewpoint different than my own.  Just let life live and learn and be, it's life, it's you, it's me, it's a person and it's a part of your soul. 

posted by Kelli on December 10, 2004 at 12:36 AM | link to this | reply

Well Kooka, I guess your motto "Live and Let Live" doesn't apply to fetuses

I have yet to hear a practicing Christian call homosexuals aboninations, yes, they call homosexual acts sinful, but no more or less than any form of adultery. The degradation of human sexuality as portrayed by our commercial society , the attack on the family as the primery social unit and the overall cheapening of life,via defacto endorsement of promiscuity, abortion and adultery effects our culture and everyone in it. Christians have a duty, as commanded by Christ, to speak out, not in judgement or condemnation, but in TRUTH and Love. Yes, some who hide behind a cloak of Christianity pass judgement on others for their own gratification, but most real Christians do not. Moreover, when they do speak out about sin in truth and in love, they are labled and denounced as you have done ...after all, isn't that what happened to their founder when he did the same to the scribes and pharacees?

posted by neamer on December 10, 2004 at 12:27 AM | link to this | reply

Janes

Your comment makes it very clear that you just did not get the point of anything I said. I was not talking about all Christians or Christianity in general. I was referring to those Christians who take it too far and become a true problem. Their actions do much more harm than good.

I follow no double standards at all.

For one I do not go against my own teachings. Christian teaching say to not judge others, yet that seems to be most of what Christians do. It has nothing at all to do with spreading the gospels when they make the claim that Homosexuals are an abominations and are going to hell and should be treated as something less than human. That is pure judgment and hatred, nothing else. If all it was was the spreading the gospel to people, then it would not be as aggressive and as insulting. it would be talking to people and accepting them for being different and showing respect for that difference.

I have no hatred towards everything or anything Christian. I am not a hateful person at all. I have issue with the Christian faith and issue with various Christians and their actions, but it is not hatred.

As for your atheist comment, you still have no clue that what you did was wrong do you? When you take a group and make a blanket statement such as 'The only thing the atheist religion has to offer is a self-righteous focus on elevating the individual as his own god', that is wrong. I have never done such in regards to Christians. If you read my stuff I never say all Christians, even in this post I felt I made it very clear that I was talking about just those Christians whoa ct that way. I do not believe all Christians are like that because I have known some who were not. Making insulting blanket statement that included every member of group is simply wrong. Feel free to read through this post and see that I made no such blanket statements. I try to show respect and I ask for that back. I have no problem with someone speaking negatively about my beliefs as long as it is done with respect.

In fact I am amazed at how many Christians here are trying to demand respect from when, when they are not even trying to show respect back to me. I show Christians much more respect here than they show me. One only needs to read through the various comments left to me by Christians to see this.

posted by kooka_lives on December 9, 2004 at 9:29 PM | link to this | reply

With you, Kooka,

It's double standards all the way.  You slam Christians and Christianity on a regular basis, but God forbid someone say something negative against atheism.  I've never run into someone with such hatred towards anything Christian -- at least in written form.  Being a Christian is not about perfection -- a burden non-Christians like to place on us -- even though that is a worthy goal.  It's about living a life of redemption, which means that we're not perfect but we're doing our darndest to follow in the footsteps of the One who redeemed us.  And the reason why we share the Gospel with "unbelievers", is because we were commanded by Christ to do so -- although of course you would disagree with that whole notion since you long ago declared the Bible to be a bunch of nonsense.  But Kooka, I believe what the Bible says that there will come a day when we will all bow the knee to Christ -- and that eventful day will include atheists such as yourself. And when I think about that day, I'm no longer annoyed by your words but rather feel sorrow for you. 

posted by JanesOpinion on December 9, 2004 at 7:53 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka -

Personal dignity? What a concept! Great post!

posted by sannhet on December 9, 2004 at 11:17 AM | link to this | reply

Freedom of Religion

is NOT what Christians practice, yet they hold to their own right to do and say whatever they want, to whoever will hold still long enough.  Having been a Christian, I understand the gnawing influence that religious experience plays on its members.  The Bible is full of abusive language for those who "let" the standards of God slip and alow tolerance to flourish.  From the destruction of Sodom and Gemhorra, to the world wide flood and finally, for our day, the horrific end times and Armaggedon are all messages imbeded in the minds of Christians that motivate them to try and convert the masses to their way of thinking and behaving.  The link that the "land" must be Godly and all the inhabitants righteous in order to avoid God's wrath invokes irrational fear that they use to prey on others of different faiths and moral behavior.

For the Christian, it is the belief that immorality comes from those who do not follow God's word.  It's the promiscuous woman who becomes the prostitute (who entices Christian men to commit sin)--the homosexual who will victimize children--the casual pot smoker who will sell drugs to their children--the Atheist who will tell them their children there is not God and that anything goes because there is no Supreme judge-- These fears are their own making for their own sin.  It is this thinking that lead Jerry Falwell to blame 9-11 on the Atheists and feminists in our country (when it really was disrespect and greed from christian politicians and corporations).

When you talk to a Christian about the last days, they readily quote scripture that tells of the destruction of the ungodly.  But point out that the judgement that they are hoping for is coming to them as well, "The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels.  In flaming fire, taking vengence on them that know not God, AND (they who)  OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. . ." Thessalonians 1:7-10,  and they squirm a bit.  Jesus taught many times to avoid judgement of others lest ye be judged, but Christians disregard this "commandment."

Good post, Kooka

Peace,

Freerain

posted by freerain on December 9, 2004 at 10:52 AM | link to this | reply

kooka

Great post! I wonder that too...

posted by SincerityAnna on December 9, 2004 at 10:00 AM | link to this | reply

Kookster, I agree.  I understand that Christians feel compelled to help people, but some of them do tend to overstep their boundaries.

posted by roofpig on December 9, 2004 at 9:58 AM | link to this | reply