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e6
There is no logic to that. If one line is true it does not mean anything else in it has to be true. There are lines in the Harry Potter books which are true, does that mean that we have to think that maybe the rest of what is written might be true as well?
You still have no grasp at all how evolution works. Evolution is something that just happens. It does not build up nor is it constant. When a species hits an evoltuionary growth it will just happen, it is that simple. One mutant will be born and it will reproduce and then you have a new species. Part of the reason why we might not have seen evolution as of late is becuase of man's fear of mutation. Man has been known to kill any mutant at birth, and that is a way to keep evolution from happening. If you understood the concept of evolution you would know that your idea of evolution somehow being constant just does not make any sense at all. Evolution does not happen like that. Species last for millions of years before they evolve into something else or something evolves as and offshoot of them. Go and study evolution or wiat utnil I do my post on it and see just how it all works.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 9, 2004 at 5:19 PM
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Kooka
Up to now nobody has any physical proof that God exist, Yes some say the Bible but we both know it was written by man so you can and do disclame it as evidence as well as many do. I personally as you know do believe in God. I believe that the Bible is (as true as possible) a record of the life amd works of God, Jesus Christ and everyone else mentioned in it. Yes because it is man made some question parts of it, but it's impossible you me to believe that you think the whole thing is made up. If you believe that even one sentice is true than you have to admit that more can be.
As to this discussion on evolution, my point is that you believe that man evolved from apes. If this is true then it won't only happen once, It would continue happening. Everything that grows, lives and breathes on this plannet does so every second of the day. It's impossible for me to believe that it would only happen once.
posted by
e6airforce
on December 9, 2004 at 2:29 PM
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steelerman
I have as much if not more faith than you. It is just not in God, but in myself, my family and my friends. Real things that I can see and that are know are part of my life and are always there for me.
God is only perfect because God is not real. God is a very man made thing. There is nothing at all perfect in all of existence, of that I have no doubt at all.
Is it not also very interesting that Fundamentalist Conservatives can not solve the world's problems either? But unlike Liberal Atheists, those conservatives seem to be working real hard at making the problems worse and creating new ones. That must really eat away at you, doesn't it?
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 8, 2004 at 4:18 PM
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e6
Your view very obviously disregards science then. The idea of evolution does not say anything about it having to happen today or that it has to keep happening at all. I would love ot know the logic of this idea that evolution much be in constant activity in order to be believable.
Just because something is not active or visible to our perception does not mean that such a thing can not be. Would you agree with that?
I do not have time now, but it would be fairly easy to use that idea to prove that there is no God. In fact I have does post that use that same logic and I have had many, your wife included I believe come and tell me that God does not have to be active and show himself to be. That alone is not the only reason as to why I do not believe in God though.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 8, 2004 at 4:12 PM
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Kooka
GOD asks for faith. You have none. The mere thought that you are born then you die and that is it or that this universe was by chance is incredibly lacking. If it can not be explained through logic then it does not compute. Many of the liberal atheist, such as yourself, are much like computers. Computers are man made and like all things man made it will have flaws and will eventually cease to exist. It is interesting that liberal so-called intellectuals can not solve the world's problems. GOD is perfect, not man nor yourself. That must really eat away at you, doesn't it?
posted by
RedStatesMan
on December 8, 2004 at 6:33 AM
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Kooka
We both have different beliefs and will never agree. I personally do not believe that man evolved from apes. From my view if if did happen then we would still see it today, no way that it would only happen once.
I'll read your post when you write it and will most likely comment on it.
posted by
e6airforce
on December 7, 2004 at 9:12 PM
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e6
Well first off we did not evolve from the apes of today. And yes it can be a one time thing, at least from the idea that it really only take one mutation to create a new species, since that one mutant can still breed with the parent species and its dominate mutant genes will slowly convert one species into a new one. That one mutation can take millions of years before it shows up in any given species. But you really do not care about facts do you? You obviously have no clue as to how evolution works and you really wish to only have the cartoon ideas of it so that you can pretend that one could see it happening today. A simple fact is that not all species evolve. The shark has been around for a long, long time, far longer than man, and it has not evolved. If you wish to learn some proven facts that help to back up the theory of evolution, those facts are out there. As I said, I plan to do a whole post that might help those like you understand evolution better. You make it very clear that you know little if anything real facts about how evolution should work.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 7, 2004 at 8:05 PM
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Kooka
I as well as everyone on this planet knows about nature. You said that man evolved from apes. My comment is that if this is true than why don't we see apes changing today. It can't be a one time thing. This is your belief not mine. You keep asking us Christians to prove our beliefs, well it's your turn.
posted by
e6airforce
on December 7, 2004 at 7:53 PM
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kooka
that was an interesting comment to e6. persuasive. As time goes by I see more and more that your faith really is rooted in logic
But then again, many people who are more ' right brained' ( like myself, I guess) or whatever may have their own logic, like, how could the beauty, order and complexity of nature and biology evolve from somthing so simple and chaotic in origin. Whos to say which form of logic is the closest to the truth?
posted by
calmcantey75
on December 7, 2004 at 7:47 PM
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e6
It is still happening, and just as fast as it ever has.
Watch a live tree and tell me if it is growing.
Or better yet, watch the ground and tell me if it is moving.
Look at your self in a mirror and tell me if you can see your hair growing.
You know for a fact that each and everyone of those things is happening.
Live trees grow, but you do not really see it happening because it is so slow. All the land masses of Earth are moving upon the Earth, just at such a slow rate that you are not aware of it. You hair, whatever hair you may have, is constantly growing right there in front of you, yet you could sit for days looking at it in a mirror and not notice it. Evolution works even slower than any of that. So unless you now have a God complex and think you can see the growth in a tree or the movement of the land beneath your feet, why would you think anyone could see evolution happening?
There is much more evidence of evolution than of God.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 7, 2004 at 7:35 PM
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steelerman
Just saying such a thing shows you to be very, very ignorant. But hey, if you wish to live in a fantasy world, then go a head. I already have planned post of evolution when I get the time. It will be full of facts and logic, so you will not understand any of it. Sorry, but I do not use propaganda, misinformation and lies, which seem to be the main things you understand.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 7, 2004 at 7:28 PM
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Way to go Steelerman
If someone believes that man evolved from apes then why isn't it still
happening . Makes sence that if it happened once it would be still happening.
I haven't seen any lately.
posted by
e6airforce
on December 7, 2004 at 6:27 PM
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Maybe Westwend and Kooka...
have a point about evolution. I can actually picture Westwend sitting behind Kooka in the cave grooming his hair and picking insects off and eating them.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on December 6, 2004 at 9:35 PM
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Kooka, if you think that the "truth" is that
there was never an Adam or an Eve, than the truth is you are more deluded than I could ever have imagined.
E6, excellent comment!
posted by
PastorB
on December 6, 2004 at 4:44 PM
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Kooka,
I sometimes wonder how you made it this far. I agree this has to be your worst blog. First of all If it wasn't for sin then we would be living in a completely different world. Man is bringing all this sickness on himself, It has nothing to do with God.
You say that the Belivers in Jesus Christ and God are closed minded because we won't consider your views, Well with statements like this and others that you have come out with It's no wonder. If you choose to not believe than thats your choice, Your the one that will pay for it on Judgement Day.
I will shout from the highest mountain that I'm thankful for all that God has Blessed my life with and will always show my gratitude to Him.
~Gratitude~
Be careful for nothing; but in everything by prayer and supplication with
thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. Phil 4:6
I Leo Libby, take this moment to affirm within me an Attitude of
Gratitude. I am grateful to God for what He has given to me. I am
thankful to him for what he has done in my life through Jesus Christ.
Father in Heaven, I thank and praise you for your goodness toward me and
my loved ones.
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from
the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of
turning. James 1:17
I Leo Libby, pronounce myself dead in Christ to murmuring and complaining
and resurrected in Christ to an Attitude of Gratitude. I am one who sets
my mind to appreciating what my Heavenly Father has for me. I acknowledge
that He cares for me and loves me and is good to me. He is my source of
love, joy, peace, eternal life and every physical need in Christ Jesus.
But my God shall supply all my needs according to his riches in glory by
Christ Jesus. Phil 4:19
Finally, may every thought of resentment and hurt that produces the bad
fruit of grumbling and complaining be erased from my soul by the Blood of
the Lamb, and may I ever be thankful. Amen.
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers,
intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men 1 Tim 2:1
I am now and will always be in the Lambs Book of Life.
posted by
e6airforce
on December 6, 2004 at 4:37 PM
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Well, it makes no sense because you and I dont see eye to eye
on matters of spirituality. but that really doesn't matter. You beleive what you will. It doesn't chaff me, friend. Im sure I will find your next post quite interesting. I dont think I will hate it because I am not threatened by you or anyone. Your beleif system does not bother me or threaten me at all. My faith is rock solid and sure, and I welcome any challenge to it because I find it stimulating. The only reason I mentioned I was not pleased with your interpratation of my comment earlier is because it was such a 180 from what I was talking about and it quite frankley shocked me. But I do see the logic in your interpretation.
You are a hard hitter Kooka. I respect that.
posted by
calmcantey75
on December 6, 2004 at 4:26 PM
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wow Uni
Are you finally seeing the truth?
Although truly your logic there is greatly flawed. There really is most likely no true Adam and Eve, since we evolved Adam and Eve just represent a stage of man evolving from one from to another. Basically when our mind developed to the level they are at now, allowing us to create good and evil and such, and to no longer be the simple animals that we evolved from. More than likely those who wrote the Bible had some idea that we came from simpler beings. By no logic could mankind have truly grown from just two people. Even if you do believe in the Bible, that story is very much obviously one of the most non-liretral stories.
There was no Adam and Eve, but there might have been a Jesus or at least someone who's life was the basic idea for the stories of Jesus.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 6, 2004 at 4:19 PM
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steelerman
That has got to be about the lamest put down I have ever heard.
Your skill at debate just amaze me. Not facts or such, just a lame put down that any child of three could come up with and use better.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 6, 2004 at 4:10 PM
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jackie
That really makes no sense at all.
I can not find anything in your quotes that says hat abortions I wrong or that it is wrong to free Children of the possibility of becoming corrupted. it sounds like Heaven is the place to go and that we are really, really cruel for allowing our children the chance to not get there.
Trust me, you are going to hate the post I just put up.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 6, 2004 at 4:08 PM
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WHAT!!?? Are you off your rocker Westwend?
Adam and Eve didn't exist as human beings???!! Where do you get this stuff? If you think that they didn't exist, then that would mean that Jesus didn't exist either. OMGosh.
posted by
PastorB
on December 6, 2004 at 3:39 PM
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Im not to pleased that you can derive justification for murder
from my writings. But your interpratation does not lie at my door.
posted by
calmcantey75
on December 6, 2004 at 3:39 PM
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our problems don't come from Adam and Eve Steeler
they did not exist as actual human beings.
they are metaphor for human condition moving from hunter-gatherer to agrarian.
but we are part of the animal kingdom -- we have faulty functions inherited from our animal forebears.
god had nothing to do with these problems -- except if you believe in a certain god -- then these problems can certain be attributed to him.
but the only god that had to do with these problems is the natural progression of things -- faults with an organic mammallian system
but if you persist in insisting on your god, then there will always be faults with your god that Kooka and others will easily find because your god is so inconsistent with reality.
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 6, 2004 at 3:32 PM
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their god
again -- you keep describing their god to a T.
I just asked about 9/11 in my blog at the botom of this page
hazy comments
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 6, 2004 at 3:24 PM
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Jackie O...
that was incredible! Excellent expression of spreading the Truth, God's word! Excellent!
For your comment, Kooka, I see that you are still Kooka for Cocoa Puffs.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on December 5, 2004 at 9:09 PM
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this comment reproduced here from: ' The Horrors of Heaven" by Kooka Lives
These scriptures illustrate the future of your life in eternity with God
You will show me the path of life; ( denoting a continuem of revelation of knowledge, wisdom and understanding of your personal meaning and its relevance)
In Your presence is fullness of joy; ( denoting a process of learning, awareness, communion and pleasurable satisfaction as a result)
At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore. Ps 16:11-
in scripture, the 'right hand' referance is always Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God, the..knowledge of God
these ancient scriptures, if you investigate the Hebrew, always denote a verbal stance that is active, continuing and aggressive without ceasing. Never passive, that would relegate to a one time occurance.
God always speaks from an ETERNAL ( non era specific) perspective, His word sees something multifaceted and always in motion throughout eternity outside of the boundries of space time
We have no right to kill off the children before they could be corrupted by Satan because:
All your children shall be taught by the Lord,
And great shall be the peace of your children.
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In righteousness you shall be established; You shall be far from oppression, for you shall not fear;
No weapon formed against you shall prosper,
And every tongue which rises against you in judgment
You shall condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,
And their righteousness is from Me," Isaiah 54
Says the Lord.
God has instructed us to take the offensive against Satan and defeat his purposes with the Sword of the Spirit ( the Word), like Jesus did in the desert against Satan. There is no excuse for aborting a baby to spare it from the assault of Satan with this command under our belt and empowering us.
posted by
calmcantey75
on December 5, 2004 at 8:39 PM
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steelerman
Thanks to another Christian here, I just saw that abortion was a great thing and should be very much promoted by those who believe in God and heaven. You can send a soul to heaven without it ever have to risk the possible corruption by Satan, which could happen if that child were to be granted any time on this Earth.
Abortion has not done a thing to stop our ever increasing birth rate, so it is not a very big threat. Also since abortion is fully man's actions, and not nature's, then it really does not fit into the idea I was expressing in this post.
You might wish to read some of the comment here, where I try to explain the idea of being open minded.
I have another post in mind going off of this one, that I will write when I have the time.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 5, 2004 at 7:56 PM
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This Is...
definitely the most twisted view on birth I have ever heard. Did you ever stop and wonder if all of this that we have on us may have started with Adam and Eve and that apple? Of course, not. Continue to read your Bible. And to think all of the things you listed that are against us and not once did you call birth a miracle. Nor did you think that mankind is doing s pretty good job of making it tougher, such as murder as in abortion. Abortion is a pretty good obstacle there a s well, wouldn't you say? Don't ask or be agree with or blame GOD look at mankind. Read in the Bible what the consequences were once Eve chose the devil over GOD.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on December 5, 2004 at 7:40 PM
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mary
But I am more than willing to look at various possibilities of God. I have yet to find one that makes me bale to believe in God, but at least I will look at the possibilities that are given to me and think about them openly. It is just that the Biblical idea of God, and all other ideas of God that I have found just do not work for me. It is not hat I have decided to just ignore any views given to me, it is that I have looked at those views and been open minded to them enough to think about them and in the end such ideas just do not make sense to me and so I am still unable to believe in any form of God that has been presented to me.
Open mindedness is not about changing one's views, but giving a fair look at any idea presented to you. Basically if an idea is given to you, look it over and think about what of that ideas makes sense and what of that idea does not make sense. That really is what most of my posts are about. I put ideas such as this one out there as possibilities for people to look at. Some, like Uni refuse to even think of other possibilities and so anything that I post that gives other ideas about God and such, she refuses to even think about or look at the logic of them. There really is as much logic behind the idea I presented here as there is to any ideas of God that are out there.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 5, 2004 at 7:40 PM
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Rev,
It's interesting that though you say that the search for truth is opening your mind to alternate possibilites, you yourself have decidced that God does not exist. Not even that you're agnostic and open to the possibility that the world operates on a spiritual plane as well as a material one. How is that?
posted by
Blanche.
on December 4, 2004 at 10:04 PM
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freerain
Thank you as always. As one of my biggest fans here it is always nice to hear from you. And thank you for adding to my point.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 3, 2004 at 4:15 PM
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Zachary
It was just an idea that crossed my mind. Since I do not believe in God, I obviously do not really believe in this idea. One of the things I try to do here with this blog is go over various ideas that come to me. This are just possibilities, other ways to look at the world.
In my opinion one stops truly seeking the truth when one decides to not look at other possibilities and see if they can work or not. By looking at ideas that do not fit your views and seeing the flaws in them and the logic ot them, you should better be able to either back up you own views or see other views as being possible, but there is nothing to be lost by opening one's mind to the possibilities. The point of my writing posts such as this one is just to make people think.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 3, 2004 at 4:14 PM
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roofpig
I openly agree that someone could try to say that such trials are just God's way of testing us and trying to make us better. And I would accept that logic and debate the reasoning behind it.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 3, 2004 at 4:08 PM
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Uni
You did not get the point and you never will get the point of anything I write. You don't want to and so you will never even try. You refuse to think outside of the box when it comes to religion. What you have been taught is the way it is and no matter what things can not be different than that. This was just a something that crossed my mind. I did not present it as being fact, but as a possible way to look at things.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 3, 2004 at 4:06 PM
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justA
I am glad to see you. And very glad you seemed to have at least gotten the point of this. It is always nice to see people who have different views than mine at least get the point I ma trying to make. I myself f do not really believe this, mostly because I do not believe in God. It was just something that came to me and got me thinking.
So thank you.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 3, 2004 at 4:03 PM
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Freerain, thank you, yes I do know the answer is in the Bible,
they all are! Even the answers to why some people, such as yourself, have the mind set they do.
posted by
PastorB
on December 3, 2004 at 3:27 PM
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Ah Hah! Kooka--
Keep on, Keeping on--The answer is in the Bible, and Unicorn knows it too--the ultimate event of Gods creation is destruction--first the nature of humanity, then the mind of man, and finally the body "Behold, the Day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate. . ." (Isaiah 13:9) In Final Solution the truth of God's enduring mercy is revealed and His plan for humanity as well. Christians believe this insanity and are working towards fulfilling it--why else are we at war, intent on polluting the environment and building nuclear weapons? "As a man thinketh, so is he" takes on very scary meaning. But, there are sane folks out there working hard to defy this imaginary deity and stop those who embrace the rantings of ancient, fearful men.
Good work, Kooka.
Peace,
Freerain
posted by
freerain
on December 3, 2004 at 9:57 AM
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this is by far the
most ludicrous blog in your history
posted by
PastorB
on December 3, 2004 at 9:00 AM
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Being killed off is no fun.
posted by
TARZANA
on December 3, 2004 at 8:49 AM
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good questions kid
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 3, 2004 at 7:08 AM
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Excellent Post kooka…
Keep flipping the stones over…to find out what is under them…
What is “The Truth”?
The Truth is all that matters...
posted by
justAcarpenter
on December 2, 2004 at 10:18 PM
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That's funny, I've never felt the need to comment on you until now . . .
What you are experiencing is a ploy. Ignore it if you can.
Be.
posted by
Zachary.N.Miles
on December 2, 2004 at 9:51 PM
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I guess the only argument I could make against this would be that we need to use our gift of intelligence to better our lives. Of course, this doesn't stop a lot of people from ignoring this intelligence when you point out fallacies in the bible.
posted by
roofpig
on December 2, 2004 at 7:11 PM
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