Go to The Reverend Kooka Speaks About Religious Bulls#!t
- Add a comment
- Go to START USING YOUR BRAIN!!!
Uni
Disqualifying the Bible? No, really...
The Bible is Pure FICTION as far as I am concerned.
Have you not been reading my posts?
What George Bush has done so far seems to be fulfilling Revelations fairly well as him being the Antichrist, but that does not mean I believe in the Bible any more than before.
First you would need to prove to me that the Bible is something more than a collection of mythological stories. I have yet to see any proof at all of that.
Uni, I know you do not hold any value at all to truth and fact and such, you seem to often feel that lying is fine for you to do in order to get people to agree with you views, but I CAN NOT lie to myself just to play it safe. Once more have you not been reading my posts here? It has nothing at all to do with ego or any of the selfish notions that you very openly live your life by. I have to be honest to who I am and what I believe and I CAN NOT believe in God and still be true to who I am. I WILL NOT live a lie just to play it safe. I am not a coward and I am not weak and so I will not take the easy way out.
My mind if very much free to the possibility that there is a God and looking through such freedom of thought I can clearly see that the Biblical idea of God is purely false and can not be. There can be no such entity. I really is that simple. In fact it would be real hard to figure out why there is no possible way for there to be God without really looking at the idea of there being a God and being very open to the idea.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 26, 2004 at 3:17 PM
| link to this | reply
no proof that there is God?
Then what do you attribute the over 300 fullfilled Biblical prophecies to? Or the finding of Noah's ark or other Biblical archelogical finds? If you disqualify even one of those, then you disqualify the entire Bible and vica versa. Your "logic" may be your downfall yet.
Just for curiosity sake though, let me ask you this, what if WE, i.e. Christians, are indeed right and your "beliefs" are wrong? Is it really worth the risk? Is it worth taking the chance of eternal damnation? Is your ego that fragile that it would rather be doomed than even consider the alternative possibility? Your father has been known to say "free your mind", don't you think that your mind may need to be freed to the possibility that there is indeed a God afterall?
posted by
PastorB
on November 26, 2004 at 9:55 AM
| link to this | reply
Steelerman
The Big Bang is no where near as weak of an explanation as God. In fact both the Big Bang and Evolution have real proof the say it most likely happened. Not 100% proof as of yet, but more proof by far that there is a God. So far the only really proof that there is a God is the Bible. And as we all know due to proven facts, the Bible of today does NOT say what was originally written as the Bible. But you care not for fact and proof and such, you are much more concerned with things that can not be proven as being what is important to you.
God and Big Foot and little green men from Mars all fall into the same general category for me.
I can talk about God in the same way I can talk about any other fictional character. It seems you have tried to use that really poor augment before and it still makes no sense. I use the name God because that is the name given to the fictional character in the Bible. I guess I could call him Jehovah, but i figure to keep it simple. If I were talking about Mark Twain's writing and keep saying Tom and Huck, that would not for one moment mean that I believe those two character are real people. Do you , yourself really have that weak of a grasp on reality?
Faith is also trusting in yourself. I put my faint in myself and may friends and family (Yes, I know for you those are about the worst things to have faith in). Those are physical things that I know are real and I know are always there for me. I do not put my faith in the possibility of a being who claims to be many things which are really impossible and just can not be with-in the universe as we know it.
Not speaking for my father (Westwend), but he does believe in God, just not taking the Bible literally. He also seems to believe in this very strange idea of respecting other's beliefs and such. The whole loving thy neighbor thing as well. Excepting people for who they are and not judging others. You know, the ideas of the Bible and not the BS of the Bible.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 26, 2004 at 9:41 AM
| link to this | reply
It is...
a funny thing that Kooka still refers to God and Westwend quotes Apostle Paul but they still claim that it is all false and just people's imaginations. Both of you seem to be hung up on some imaginary "control" that people are trying to place you in; this must be from some misfortune earlier in life. Faith is trusting in God and God's word. It does not have to be scientifically proven by some formula. We do not need to be Mr. Spock of Star Trek throughout life. Do you think seriously for one moment that this entire univers, including this incredible planet and all that is around us and all that is going on was created all by the chance of a 'big bang'? Do you honestly believe that weak explanation? By you being what you like to call intellectuals who rely on logic, then how can you come up with something as weak as the "big bang" theory or evolution?
posted by
RedStatesMan
on November 25, 2004 at 7:51 PM
| link to this | reply
ODD -- BUT I UNDERSTAND KOOKA AND MANY ATHEISTS
They are not trying to disprove god. No one has proved god to them.
And that because your damn god is an idol. It is a manufactured thing that has nothing to do with anything in the universe except people's imaginings.
it even is as far removed from spirituality as anything can get.
your god is the antichrist because it stands in the way of true salvation.
you god cannot be proved to exist -- all it is is a succession of mythical stories imaginings of a "warrior king hero" type along the lines of the dominant male of other primates. you prove evolution by your insistence on such a god.
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 24, 2004 at 2:11 PM
| link to this | reply
Matos
If you posted on this post then it should be right here. Are you sure it was this post you posted on?
If you look at the time it would have been hard to post much before Westwend on this one. He commented four minute after the post was up. You do have the second comment on here, which was about twenty minutes later. It is possible I guess that you made a mistake and did not leave the comments for some reason. I have done that once or twice and never really figured out how it happened.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 24, 2004 at 12:16 PM
| link to this | reply
Sorry if my computer is going crazy but I posted quite a bit before Westend posted his comments and now I don't see them anywhere. Do they get shifted to a different blog if yours get crowded?
posted by
Matos
on November 24, 2004 at 11:56 AM
| link to this | reply
Matos
I have erased nothing at all of yours. The only time I have ever erased a comment left to me is when someone accidentally left the same comments multiply times and it just seemed a waste to leave them up there so.
Please tell me what you think I erased and where it was posted. I have erased nothing at all for a few weeks now.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 24, 2004 at 11:49 AM
| link to this | reply
Uni
I made no more insults towards you than you made towards me.
As for getting spirituality, I do get it. I understand spirituality very well, in fact I think I must understand it better than you because i understand that it is something the various between each person and is something everyone needs to find on their own in order ot be truly themselves. You seem to wish to make spirituality to be about God and only about God, when in fact it is something the two are not the same. Due to many finding spirituality through the Biblical idea of God the two have been merged by many and so there are those like you who not separate the two things.
And no, your logic is not fine. I have proven that beyond a shadow of doubt many times. You just will not listen to facts.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 24, 2004 at 11:46 AM
| link to this | reply
Is there a reason why you erased all of my previous posts concerning yours? Are you afraid of what I said? If so, I'll try not to be so scary.
posted by
Matos
on November 24, 2004 at 11:06 AM
| link to this | reply
you are not "getting it" from a spiritual standpoint
and I hardly think the insults are necessary, but why should I be surprised by them. My logic is perfectly intact thank you.
posted by
PastorB
on November 24, 2004 at 9:53 AM
| link to this | reply
Uni
I understood it just fine and knew what you were trying to say. But you were wrong in your logic, as you very often are. Of course you do not get that, as you is the norm for you.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 24, 2004 at 9:32 AM
| link to this | reply
kooka, I didn't expect you to "get it", and you didn't disappoint me.
posted by
PastorB
on November 24, 2004 at 9:19 AM
| link to this | reply
Matos
You might wish to start here:
http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/kooka_lives2380/2004-08-10
It was a challenge to me from justacarpenter. We debated the idea of God for a little while there. One of the better religious debates I have had here on Blogit. Neither one of us took the other's view personal and so were able to keep it at a mature level of debating.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 24, 2004 at 8:48 AM
| link to this | reply
Matos
Feel free to ask your question again if you do not find the answer in my posts and I will try to answer it then. But it really would take a lot of time and I know for a fact I have already gone and stated much of that answer in various past posts. The simplest answer is that I have yet to find any proof beyond the Bible that there is a God, yet I already know that such a simple answer will only create the same debate over such a statement that I have already ran around in circles with so many times. The more accurate answer is long and I have already expanded on that answer in my posts in the past where they are a little longer than what I would write here, but hopefully are also better explained than what I would leave in a comments section.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 24, 2004 at 8:42 AM
| link to this | reply
I think I will read your past posts but I think after I do, I'll still ask the very same question. Do you think that your unwillingness to answer my question is because you suspect your logic isn't up to scutiny? Just a question.
posted by
Matos
on November 24, 2004 at 8:34 AM
| link to this | reply
kooka,
It is fine to think about things. But perhaps a person who is trying to describe their spiritual understanding of God cannot do so with the standard logical description. For instance, if we were to reduce the emotion of love through our scientific logic to a mere chemical reaction amongst the neurons of our brain, wouldn't that destroy the mood?
posted by
TARZANA
on November 24, 2004 at 8:31 AM
| link to this | reply
Matos
That would take way too long to explain. Just go back and read my past posts here to see some of the many various things I have found and figured out on my own.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 24, 2004 at 8:28 AM
| link to this | reply
Just curious, what was it that you found to prove there is no God? This is my mind asking.
posted by
Matos
on November 24, 2004 at 8:16 AM
| link to this | reply
IF IT'S SCRIPTURAL IT MUST BE TRUE -- RIGHT?
THE APOSTLE PAUL SAYS "PROVE ALL THINGS."
This must involve using the brain.
It must involve testing for validity and seeking validity.
It does not involve mindless blind acceptance of anything even if it comes under the guise of religion and "god's word".
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 24, 2004 at 7:52 AM
| link to this | reply