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I think westwind is on the right track.
We 'play' god all the time, whether we like it or not. Many of our most insignificant decisions come back to haunt us. The law of unintended consequences can hit hard. Our best defense is not to rely so much on personal observed experience, but on knowledge gained from historical perspective and a serious search for the truth. If truth is the guiding light in a person's life, it becomes 'god' to that person in effect, even if they believe themselves to be athiest.
posted by
pappy
on November 22, 2004 at 2:51 PM
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i wonder at some of the comments
people -- everybody -- plays god all the time and every day.
with other people's lives.
you tell people what to do where to go how to dress, etc.
you don't like someone else telling you what to do.
you don't much cater to disagreement with what you say.
you certainly play god with your children.
per life support? any decision is playing god. if you keep the person alive or let the person die.
you can't get into your head that the question is what does the least harm?
people die. people cannot live forever. we have to let them die sometime.
artificial life support is sometimes getting in the way of god's will don't you think?
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 22, 2004 at 2:32 PM
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Some doctors get so accustomed to playing God that they forget who they really are. I've worked with a few people like that.
posted by
aardvark
on November 22, 2004 at 1:56 PM
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I read this post and I had to comment. Firstly, the term "Playing god" (you'll notice the small "g") is just a way of saying that man has decided to do what he wants to do. The example of a doctor taking a patient on or off life support was a good one. We use that term in arguments to sway the hearts of God fearing people. At that point, we are put in a position to support a man who thinks he's god or to cast aside the false idol. If I remember correctly, wasn't it John Lennon who claimed the Beatles were more popular than Jesus and therefore gained the anger of many god fearing people? In their minds, John Lennon considered himself a god proclaiming his victory over the god of old. Lennon played god and lost.
Secondly, to say that if God does or doesn't do anything, means that he agrees or disagrees with what's happening is ridiculous. I have two words for you, FREE WILL. We do what we do and in the end, we have to pay for the consequences of those actions. That's the way it is. If God were to make us do what He wanted, there would be no free will. And it seems that free will is what this world is full of. There are many who would say that God never listens to them in their time of need, therefore He doesn't exist. But was their time of need a direct result of something terrible they may have done? There are too many examples of things that went wrong or right with an infinite number of circumstances leading to each. To pull a few out to make a general statement is wrong.
posted by
Matos
on November 22, 2004 at 9:23 AM
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Oh and pappy
I do not use the denial as proof. I deny nothing. I am sure that the biblical idea of God is false. There is no such being. Why am I sure of this? Because way back when I figured it out. I was not trying to deny God, but as I looked at the facts and say the Bible for what it is and saw organized religions for what they are, all on my own mind you, I realized that the God of the Bible is impossible and does not come close to working in the universe in which we live in. I did not go into things saying' There is no God, now where is the proof'.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 21, 2004 at 7:43 PM
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pappy
That would mean then that we are not 'playing God' at all because God is doing nothing active in our world and therefore once more there is little point to the term 'playing God'. My main point of the post was that the term 'playing God' is really a foolish term.
Also, by your logic, God can not be active in the world and therefore thanking God for anything or saying it was 'God's will' is wrong. That seems to go very much against eh belief in God. Either God is active or he is not, you seem to want both.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 21, 2004 at 7:39 PM
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kooka
Your argument is always the same. You speak from a place of life and liberty which you did not make but was given to you. You use this liberty, which is your right, to deny the existence of anything else that did make it (though you know not from where it came); then you use your denial as proof that an all powerful god could not exist. It is the same as saying god is not all powerful because he cannot make a load which he cannot lift. But he can. He made a covenant with men which he cannot break becuase he said he wouldn't. Apparently in heaven, being a man of your word is truth.
posted by
pappy
on November 21, 2004 at 3:13 PM
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YLF
so everybody should be kept alive forever?
we should not let people die?
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 21, 2004 at 1:27 PM
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I think that the only definition of a doctor is one who supports life. Any other act is one of betrayal.
posted by
TARZANA
on November 21, 2004 at 8:34 AM
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