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janes
"Those radical followers of Islam" are not the ones who are destroying my country from the inside out. There are barely a real threat to us if we do not let them be one. Events like 9/11, although very tragic, are not what is really destroying this country. Honestly when I look at the majority of the problems that are eating away at our country I see that if we could break from the Christian ideas and start using common sense instead, we would be able to find a real solution to those problems.
I am really not concerned with the rest of the world's religious ideas and persecutions. I know that the Christians love ot play the victim, I have written posts about it. I am aware of how the Christians are treated in various parts of the world. A good friend of mine (He is more or less responsible fro my current state of belief because he got born again and tried to get me to follow) is doing missionary work in the Philippines and when he was a town a few months ago he did tell us about it all. Of course I personally do not believe we should be getting involved the way we have. I am not really surprised at the back lash. How would you feel if a group of outsiders should up and told you that everything you believed was wrong and gave your people a new set of beliefs and started to try and convert you people to follow a different religion? I think you would get pissed and start fighting them. Your religious leaders would be pushing you to fight because if too many get converted then there goes they power and they are more than willing to get you to go out and kill or get killed to insure that they keep their power.
I do not defend the Muslims, who are not really acting according to their religion, but are more a product of their environment which has been nothing but harsh throughout all of recorded history, mostly due to religious idea from all sides, Christians included. Looking at history Christians are just as guilty of causing the problems in the middle east as any other religion. This alone help to back up my idea that organized religion in general is a very destructive thing. I am all for an end to all organized religion and a start to people finding their own way to fill their spiritual need. If they find it trough god and Bible, fine by me as long as it is not just following what they are fed.
The only organized religion I have found that really can not be said to have caused world problems is Buddha. I have yet to find any time when a group of Buddhist tried to force their beliefs on others or started a holy, or even fought in a war for that matter.
Many American Christians have tried to say we are in a holy war with the Islamics right now. Not only does that help to show just how destructive CHristianity is, it also shows that those ideas are unhealthy for our country and are part of the problem, not the solution.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 24, 2004 at 8:34 PM
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Gadzooks, Kooka
Those radical followers of Islam are pure as the driven snow? Not affecting humanity? The Sudanese Muslims who have murdered hundreds of thousands of Sudanese Christians? I completely disagree with your comment, and have to tell you that you have absolutely no idea the torture and persecution going on in various parts of the world today against Christians because American media has completely ignored these stories. Go to
http://www.persecution.org/newsite/ and find out what's going on throughout the world. But then again, me thinks you have made up your mind, and are closed to any alternative.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on November 24, 2004 at 6:30 PM
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Janes
People have died for their faiths throughout the history on man, and not all were Christians. In fact really only a very small percent of those who have been killed due to their faith have been Christians partially due to the large number of times it has been the Christians doing the killing. There is a level of faith in which people are willing to die for what they believe. This alone is far from proving something to be the true faith, mostly due to simple fact that such logic would do to prove just about every religion that has ever been on Earth.
Why do I seem to target the Christianity over other religions?
Well as far as I am concerned it is the Christians beliefs that are ruining humanity. I have written full post about my belief in such. I see no other religion to be as dangerous or destructive as Christianity. Part of this comes from the simple fact that there really is no one who follows the Christians values properly. It is mostly get words and is rarely followed through at the level it really should be. The belief system has some great ideas t it, but falls short of ever being followed in the way it needs to in order for it to be a good thing. Otherwise we would not be having the problems we do have. If Christians really followed what they claim to believe, then I would have much more faith that America is not headed downwards right now. But when all one's religious beliefs are is a bunch of picking and choosing and then labeling it to be a religion, you are on the path to ruin.
I try to make my post about religion in general at times and some of my post which deal mostly with the old testament clearly are about muti-religious beliefs, since so many religions have the connection of the OT.
Here in the Us Christianity is the main religion and so it is the main religion that is a problem for my country.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 24, 2004 at 3:24 PM
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Howdy Kooka,
You make an interesting point about really not having a choice -- belief in God or going to hell. God is just and holy; He hates the sin we commit and because of that sin we are condemned to hell as punishment for our sins, but because God also loves his creation, he has made a way for us to live, through Jesus Christ (sorry about the run-on sentence). There's one very important point you left out. You left out the part about the opportunity those who follow Christ have to be in fellowship with God. Why do you think that thousands of Christians throughout the world -- particularly in China, India, Sudan and Islamic countries -- are willing to suffer persecution simply because they are followers of Christ? Why would anyone be stupid enough to suffer severe pain and physical torture simply for refusing to deny Christ? Surely not because they're forced to either believe in God or go to hell. No, they choose to suffer for Christ because as followers of Christ they have experienced what it means to have that personal relationship with the One who loved them enough to die for them. Having experienced that, they will never go back.
Kooka, I find it interesting that you are hell bent on proving God and Christianity to be wrong. I'm curious why you spend such time on this seemingly (in your mind) inadequate and problematic religion. Why not slam Islam or Hinduism or Taoism or . . . .? It would seem that the Christian God has quite a hold on you . . . and yet you keep running and "kicking God in the balls."
posted by
JanesOpinion
on November 24, 2004 at 2:24 PM
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aardvark
Thank You
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 15, 2004 at 1:49 PM
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Very rich analogy my friend.
posted by
aardvark
on November 15, 2004 at 10:16 AM
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e6airforce
I have no choiuce, no choice at all. I CAN NOT believe in God.
I am right now kicking the idea of God in the balls and taking Hell away from him and saying I'll send him there instead. Thank you for defending my actions there. According to you however, just as with the woman, I am risking my life. When the women attacks the rapist there is a real good chance that she will get shot. Since I am atacking my rapist (God) if I am wrong I am going to get shot (Sent to Hell). But I will not allow myself to be raped (Forced to believe and worship) by anyone, so I have to fight the rapist (God) in order to keep my integrity and not feel violated.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 14, 2004 at 6:56 PM
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Hey kooka: The believer doesn't need a choice. He has already made
his. The choice is for the nonbeliever. You have a choice to believe or not.
simple to me, believe in god, follow his rules and have eternal life, or choose
not to believe and be sent to hell for eternity.
As far as the rapist, if the woman kicks him in the balls, takes away the gun
then she can give him a choice. She could put the gun to his head, Kneel down
and Pray for him.
posted by
e6airforce
on November 14, 2004 at 6:13 PM
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Kooka -
I loved your response to Wanderer. I have yet to find an organized religion that truly has it right (based on what I believe). The closest I have come is in reading the writings of various mystics, including St. Teresa Avila, St. John of the Cross, Thomas Merton, Jim Marion, etc. It's in reading these folks that I have come to see that Yeshua/Jesus' New Testament is just that: a new interpretation of God, not what is found in the Old Testament.
posted by
sannhet
on November 14, 2004 at 1:49 PM
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Wanderer
I have often said as much.
Is there is a God out there, none of the present religious ideas that are being followed make sense. This God would be something else all together. I am positive that the Bible has it wrong and all organized religions have it wrong. To me a true search for 'truth' would be to throw away the Bible and all preconceived ideas about od and such and really just star from scratch and figure it all out without the ideas that have come before. That is what I try to do.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 14, 2004 at 7:46 AM
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Will the REAL God, please stand up
Perhaps it's those who lead religions who are into control and they are the ones who have created this judgemental and destructive God. Perhaps the real God is more in harmony with human kind.
posted by
Wanderer
on November 14, 2004 at 7:14 AM
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Kooka -
For me, Hell is not a place and no one is sent there, not by God or by the choices each person makes. For me, Hell is darkness - a lack of light. Light (also known as Love) is "God." As one lives, one either moves toward the light, stays where one is, or moves away from the light. Life is the journey toward or away from the light.
posted by
sannhet
on November 13, 2004 at 3:27 PM
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Pappy
The cliff's egdge thing really does not seem to fit at all with what the post was about. Even there I see God as the fictional rope that many keep hoping will be handed to them, when their friends and families are often right there trying to offer them help, but they will not take it because their friends and family hold different beliefs. This I have seen with my own eyes.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 13, 2004 at 3:17 PM
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pappy
I am fighting for my values and risking death. It is those who accept God who are submitting. Unless you completely misunderstood what my post was saying.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 13, 2004 at 3:13 PM
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If you were hanging by your fingertips from a cliff's edge,
would you refuse help because you didn't believe in the strength of the rope thrown to you?
posted by
pappy
on November 13, 2004 at 3:11 PM
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kooka
So would you submit to the rape, or would you fight and risk death to hold on to your sense of values. Many a christian was put to the very same choice and felt there were worse things than death.
posted by
pappy
on November 13, 2004 at 3:08 PM
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love means never having to say you're sorry
about sending someone to hell?
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 13, 2004 at 2:52 PM
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I just knew that God was about love, so I didn't have a problem with it.
posted by
TARZANA
on November 13, 2004 at 2:17 PM
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