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Y-L-F
Did you even read the post?
All evidence points to the founding fathers all having different levels of religious beliefs. Also, as I tried to explain it does not matter one bit what the founding fathers really believed in. They created the government so that it would be bale to change as needed. All we can do is take the laws they wrote and figure out how best to apply them to our needs for today. Whatever their beliefs were or what hey felt the laws stood for are very unimportant because it has no baring on the needs of today.
I take the idea of the first amendment to mean that we cannot be a Christians state because that would be the government establishing a religion. By that it was very unconstitutional of Bush to declare a holy war in the name of all of the USA.
It has nothing at all to do with my lack of faith and everything to do with my desire to see democracy, freedom and the true American values preserved and followed.
I am sorry that your faith somehow justifies the need to do away with democracy, freedom and true American values.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 6, 2004 at 8:26 AM
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kooka,
Are you insane? It says right on the money, "IN GOD WE TRUST." George Washington was a man of faith, as have all of our Presidents been. Perhaps you overlooked that detail because you lack faith of your own.
posted by
TARZANA
on November 6, 2004 at 7:11 AM
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I think the founding fathers of the U.S. feared the power of religion about as much as they feared the power of kings. They saw both institutions as temples of tyranny, so they structured things to minimize them.
posted by
aardvark
on November 4, 2004 at 4:04 PM
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kooka
I like what you said about people in our founding fathers' day agreeing that God was simply accepted as being there without it becoming a slant toward any particular religion. I often wonder how it is that so many denominations seem to know so much about what is so much larger than themselves.
posted by
pappy
on November 4, 2004 at 3:12 PM
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Y-L-F
Did you even read my post?
I was trying to make it clear that our founding fathers were not trying to make a government based on any religion. The US was not founded as a Christian state.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 4, 2004 at 8:04 AM
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kooka,
It is interesting that I read your post right after posting My Son the Miracle,(http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/You_look_fabulous_anyway/)
...as you spoke of the Founding Fathers and the appropriateness of Christian leaders. My son is a descendant of the Mayflower, from a line of Christians who fled first to Iceland and then to America, to escape persecution for their religious faith. I almost well up with tears when I think that I have been blessed to be the mother of one of this strong and determined people of faith, who founded the greatest country in all of history, as far as I can see, as our planes soar smoothly through the air, and our cruise ships glide in seeming waveless luxury on the tumultuous ocean -- I can't see that any culture has surpassed the greatness of this nation, begun by people of such faith in the power of God.
posted by
TARZANA
on November 4, 2004 at 7:44 AM
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Reaganesque
I made a whole post as my reply to you.
I am going to also ask you once more to try and not leave comments under posts that are not at all connected. it will confuse other bloggers who have not been abel to read my comment you are replying to. If you really feel the need to leave replies to comment in my post, at least leave them under a more fitting post and make it clear as to what you are replying to so that people can follow our debates.
posted by
kooka_lives
on November 4, 2004 at 7:22 AM
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President Bush: EXCELLENT Commander-in-Chief
Believe me, I know that every time you hear such things out of Republicans you are puzzled. I think that's the problem. You believe George W. Bush is "wasting American lives for his own gains", and that the war offers us nothing but turmoil. I don't. Aside from the fact that my cousin's life is not being "wasted", George W. Bush almost cost himself re-election by going to war in Iraq. He had nothing to gain from that war-- nor did all the senators (from both parties) who voted for it. They supported it because they believed it was necessary to defend America.
You believe the President "rushed away" from our enemies. I know better, because I’m not blinded by hatred. I understand that it is not impossible for the United States to fight a war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't believe we "switched recourses"; I don't believe we failed in Afghanistan; I don't believe that the war in Iraq is separate from the war on terror; and I don't believe that we are going to fail in Iraq.
I also don't believe that we "rushed" into war, considering the fact that Saddam Hussein had been refusing to comply with U.S. sanctions and inspectors for twelve years, before we gave him another year to fuck around.
I don't believe George W. Bush has "left us wide open for an attack", which is precisely why we have not had an attack and Osama Bin Laden had to ship out a tape to influence our election. I believe it's important that we continue to weaken their network- which all evidence implies we have done- so that they will no longer be a threat.
I understand that you think we, Republicans, live in a "parallel universe". But I think the country just proved that it is the Democratic Party which has drifted further and further from reality, towards policies that are doomed to repeat the mistakes of history. They have failed to connect with regular Americans because they are so convinced that their word is sacred and that anyone who dares to disagree with them must be stupid.
posted by
Reaganesque
on November 3, 2004 at 11:08 PM
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