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Norseman
More or less, except from my understanding you can follow Wicca and not perform any spell or such. It mostly has to do with a relationship with nature. Spell are an optional part to the belief. Many of the religions that have gotten the generic label of 'Pagan' are similar in that respect. They are based around nature and respect for nature and being in harmony with nature and such. Some believe in spells and magic and such and often all of that gets labeled as 'witchcraft' when really only a handful practice what really can be called witchcraft.
Basically it can get real complicated if you get into it all. There are just a lot of beliefs out there that get labeled with generic names by organized religion.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 29, 2004 at 4:43 PM
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uni
I have no Christian intolerance. I have a stupid people intolerance, but not all Christians are stupid people you see, just a enough of them to make it real annoying. You know the one's who listen to and spread lies and then make up their own lies in order to defend other lies and such. Those are the Christians I have a problems. The Christians who show honesty and respect I am fine with.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 29, 2004 at 4:37 PM
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So kooka, are you
saying that Witchcraft is to...say Wicca for example, as praying or communion is to Christianity. That it is merely an element of the religion and not the religion itself? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing I am just making sure I understand your statement about witch craft.
posted by
A_Norseman
on October 29, 2004 at 3:21 PM
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that was a little unnecessary don't ya think?
Although I always have liked the song; "bah bah black sheep".
But at least I have figured out where you get your Christian intolerance from.
posted by
PastorB
on October 29, 2004 at 3:06 PM
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Great discussion, Kooka.
I personally believe that whenever we, as humans, start talking about anything, and use the terms "in general", we are following a sheep mentality. I'm guilty of this myself. But if we believe something exists because it's "generally accepted", and this is what the term "in general" insinuates, then we have read things, and absorbed things (even when we're not aware of them), that have led us to a conclusion that generalizes about a certain section or segment of society. It's not confined to religion either. It happens throughout society and the way society interacts with each other. But if I, or another, confesses to having a belief about something "in general", then that is, at least for me, a sheep mentality, and I fight against it (although unsuccessfully many times), as I try to be as creative and open in my thinking as I possibly can. Just my take on things. I analyze everything completely like this.
posted by
KlaraRoberts
on October 29, 2004 at 2:50 PM
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uni
Wicca is a religon, but withcraft by itself is not. There are many religions which practice witchcraft. And many who Christians say practice witchcraft when it is Voodoo or some other form of magic. It really is not accurate to groups all forms of belief in magic as being witchcraft or Wicca.
Or better for you to understand 'bah, bah, bahh, bah, bahhh'
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 29, 2004 at 2:37 PM
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KlaraRoberts
"Isn't believing that all Christians have a sheep mentality also a sheep mentality too?"
No, it's not. For one thing I was referring to organized religion in genreal and did not state any one as being more or less so. And just by stating that does not mean I am following the sheep mentaility. Sure many people have said such a thing, but I am not blinding agreeing with them. I have taken a long hard look at the facts of things and came to the conclusion on my own.
Now I disagree with you about your comment 'Not all Christians or members of other religions have a sheep mentality' becasue anyone who joins a church almost has to have some level of sheep mentaility. With some it is very weak and not noticable, but with a majority it is very much there. Many do not think beyond what the church tells them. Most will sit there and nod their heads dumbly as a summon is going on and not really have any idea what they are agreeing to. While others are just going through the motions in order to fit in and are therefore no better than sheep.
Now I will not try to claim that I have never been guilty of falling into the sheep mentality myself. I aw well ware that at times I have just believed what I was told. More and mroe though I am aware of when I am doing this and so I do it less and less becasue I catch myself and go and learn the truth of things for myself.
Most of thsoe who choose not to engage in religion have not come to their belefis through being told what to believe by others. They have nobody telling them how they should see things or what they should think. They are much more likely to go out and find the facts for themselves and not just believe what they are told. Instead they have found their beliefs on their own. There is not any organized atheist church out there. There are a few organizations, but they are not as well as organized and propaganda filled as your main religions. You really do not have an athiest community.
Witchcraft in itself is not a religion. There are many religion which practice what is called witchcraft.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 29, 2004 at 2:34 PM
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Klara has a good point here...
Sometimes in our efforts to be individual and unique, we wind up in another group, with it's own agenda and philosophy. It just happens.
posted by
A_Norseman
on October 29, 2004 at 2:24 PM
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Klara
good points there. Actually, Wicca is a religion.
posted by
PastorB
on October 29, 2004 at 2:18 PM
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Many times, Kooka, those Web sites and other reference materials are only
trying to escalate the shock value and increase traffic to a site. I honestly don't believe anything I read or hear in any type of medium.
Not all Christians or members of other religions have a sheep mentality. Isn't believing that all Christians have a sheep mentality also a sheep mentality too?
It's a rather common denominator among those that choose not to engage in religious practices. I always thought witchcraft was considered a religion. I'll need to check on that. Good food for thought here.
posted by
KlaraRoberts
on October 29, 2004 at 1:58 PM
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Roofpig, may the schwarz be with you.
posted by
theinnkeepersdaughter
on October 29, 2004 at 1:37 PM
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Interesting post Kooka.
Good way to point out how religious leaders can manipulate people into following a much different agenda than their religion is proposing.
Westwend the Druids were wise but they were just as guilty of manipulation. Their habit of keeping the knowledge to themselves and making sure that their communities had to rely on them for ceremonies is pretty much the same thing. Knowledge and power go hand in hand. Similar to the habit of only teaching monks and certain scholars to read and write and keeping the rest of the people illiterate. In my opinion the biggest downfall to the power of religion was the printing press.
posted by
theinnkeepersdaughter
on October 29, 2004 at 1:35 PM
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roofpig
That prince buddy.
I'm all man mister.
Don't make me have to come over there and bitch slap.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 29, 2004 at 1:31 PM
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That's just what we need... a druish princess.
posted by
roofpig
on October 29, 2004 at 1:22 PM
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west
Does that mean I am druish then?
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 29, 2004 at 1:20 PM
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EclecticKat
It's the season. Although this post just used Halloween to make a point and was not really about Halloween. I most likely will have a few more posts to write regarding this great holiday. After Halloween is over, then the season will be over and I will most likely have nothing to say about it.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 29, 2004 at 1:19 PM
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roofpig
Of course. We see that else where as well. The really good liars are able to get themselves to believe in their own lies.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 29, 2004 at 1:17 PM
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druids were the wise ones
sages and oracles and all that
the Celts had a religious system and priests -- Druids weren't those.
I guess I figure I'm a Druidic Christian (or Christian Druid?) mainly because I have a high regard for Nature the natural world keeping a balance and all that.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 29, 2004 at 11:07 AM
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Are we all still on this hallow's eve thing?
posted by
EclecticKat
on October 29, 2004 at 9:55 AM
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I think the worst part is when a religious leader can lie, but eventually ends up believing the lie himself, which I'm sure has happened in a lot of cases. If you fervently believe in something, even if you know it to not be true, it eventually becomes truth.
posted by
roofpig
on October 29, 2004 at 9:42 AM
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