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Uni
No matter what you may wish or how big your ego is, all of my posts are not just about you. There are other Christians out there who have some of the same problems with reality that you have. There are other Chrsitian bloggers who do the same as you do. If you were the sole example, then I would make it very clear that there was only one example. But you are not, I hope that did not destroy your ego to much there, and so I make posts about the Chrisitians who think as you do.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 28, 2004 at 10:56 AM
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gee, I figured I'd have a kooka come back on that one
posted by
PastorB
on October 28, 2004 at 10:36 AM
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neamer
I agree. However I think your words of wisdom in your comment may fall on deaf ears with kooka. Part of the problem is that kooka generalizes all Christians based on his opinion of me. I am certainly not the 'poster child' for the entire Christian faith. When he writes posts like this it is usually as a rebutal to something I have written or said and I think he should clearly say it that way as opposed to trying to sterotype the entire Christian population based on his disapproval of me.
posted by
PastorB
on October 27, 2004 at 9:10 PM
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neamer
I have put up with so much BS from some many, not all or most, Christians saying all Atheist act in such a way and do such and such and are all going to hell, and you are getting upset because I say 'some Christians' and you feel I am impling most or all. I have very often said I know many Christians who do not fit into what I say.
I know this is part of your need to put me down and discredit me in order for you to feel all high and mighty. Many other, not all or most, Christians here have tried that on me and it did not work for them. I will not sit back and help your ego grow by proving some athiest is more immoral than you are. It is sad that so many Christians, not all or most, seem to need to do such petty actions just to boost their own egos.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 27, 2004 at 9:05 PM
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No pass kookla,
You might say "some" but the spirit and tone of the post(As well as many of your other similar posts) says Most", if not "all" Christians. Why can't you see that. Just take a look at this. Keep an open mind. If it "don't apply, let it fly".
As for the applicability of my quote; Yes, truth does have a certian universality to it, doesn't it?
posted by
neamer
on October 27, 2004 at 8:58 PM
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kooka_lives
I could not agree more.
posted by
calmcantey75
on October 27, 2004 at 7:02 AM
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y-l-f
If all there were doing was trying to get the 'word of God' across then they would not have to resort to spreading lies and propaganda. I look at some of these people and I see that they are not searching for 'truth' as they claim or trying to right wrongs, but to control. They are going against the ideas they claim to be following. If there is a God I would think he would be very upset over those who claim to be his followers using lies and threats and such to get people to follow his word. If anything that shows a weakness in the faith and insults God. Wow, I think I have my post for today now..
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 27, 2004 at 6:59 AM
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Actually, the motivation for a Christian to tell others right from wrong is not as you here describe. The Christian believes that the person who goes astray is their responsibility should they witness the transgression, and that they must save them from hurting themselves. It has nothing to do with the popularly hated "self-righteousness" but rather a desire to rescue a helpless victim of ignorance.
posted by
TARZANA
on October 27, 2004 at 6:27 AM
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neamer
As always I very openly state 'some Christians'. Hell it is in the title of the post.
The quote does not work too well either, since it could be said about any group in the world. I challenge you to find one group that could not replace Christians and Christianity with and still have it work.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 26, 2004 at 6:36 PM
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Kooka, You seem just a tad too anxious ...
To make one post represenative of all Christians. Having said that, I think this quote may be in order;
"The best argument for Christianity is Christians: their joy, their certainty,their completeness. But the strongest argument against Christianity is also Christians. When they are somber and joyless, when they are self-righteous and smug in complacent consecration, when they are narrow and repressive,then Christianity dies a thousand deaths.."
Sheldon Vannulkein in Dallas Willard's The Divine Conspiracy
posted by
neamer
on October 26, 2004 at 6:28 PM
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who told you about the bunnies?!
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 4:21 PM
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uni
Sorry. You have made it very clear to me that you are in serious need of help. I should learn to just not try to point out facts to those who do not understand what facts are.
Go and live a life where up is down if you wish it to be, right is left when it fits your beliefs and happy little bunnies come up and have tea with you becuase you believe they can. I will not try to ruin that world of yours any more by trying to tell you the facts and truth about things.
You do not live in my world, because in my world facts are facts and can not be written off just because you do not believe in them. I learn the difference between facts and opinion way back in grade school. I get the impression you have yet to learn how those two differ.
Lies can not be made true just becasue you believe in them.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 26, 2004 at 4:20 PM
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roof
if you draw characters for us, please be kind.....kooka has sensitive feelings.
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 4:17 PM
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Man, I really need to start saving your arguments... you guys are great fodder for a script! ;-)
posted by
roofpig
on October 26, 2004 at 4:15 PM
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kooka
you really need to chill out man.
p.s. I live in this world, but I'm not of this world-that's Scripture buddy.
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 4:13 PM
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uni
THE DRUIDS DID NO SUCH THINGS. THIS IS FACT. THIS IS PROVEN FACT. THESE IS NO DEBATE TO IT. I AM TELLING YOU THE WORLD IS ROUND AND THAT WE KNOW IT IS ROUND AND THAT THE WORLD BEING ROUND IF FACT, AND YOU ARE SAYING 'I BELIEVE IT IS SQUARE AND SO TO ME IT IS SQUARE, SO DO NOT PUT DOWN MY BELIEFS.' FACT AND OPINION, LOOK THOSE WORDS UP YOU SEEM VERY, VERY CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THEY MEAN. What world do you live on?
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 26, 2004 at 4:02 PM
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to me,
it is neither lies nor propaganda. If you chose to believe it as such, I'll let you. hahahahahahahahaha
Hey did you see we have our own 'playroom'- the innkeepersdaughter made it.
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 3:48 PM
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uni
If you did the research, then you would already have known it to be lies and propaganda. Why would you have posted it then? Unless you are once more defending the idea of spreading lies just because they agree with you views.
I've not said anyone was clueless. I just said you are trying to ruin things for them. It seems like no one is willing to let you though. By all logic since it is you who are trying to spread the lies and such and ruin a great holiday, is it not you who seem to think people to be clueless? Are you not the one getting upset with some one (myself) who has gone and done the research and is saying 'hey, you are posting proven lies here'? You do not wish for people to know the truth it would seem, just your ideas of what you would like to believe to be true, even though it is proven fact to not be true.
Why do you not wish to admit that you posted out right lies in your blog? And that this is not the first time you have done such? Can you not be big enough to admit when you post misinformation and lies and make a correction or take down the post?
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 26, 2004 at 3:46 PM
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oh-
get a dictionary
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 3:24 PM
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your readers might be interested to know that YOU think they are clueless
first, I didn't imply anything. No, I'm very intelligent as I believe a majority of bloggers here are. Did I ever once write a post and preface it with "This is the absolute be all and end all blog, do not go investigate and research things for yourself, just take my word for it". Obviously not, people have the ability to go figure things out themselves. If I post something from a site I find, I read it and research it before I just jump on the band wagon, anyone else can do that when they read other peoples posts as well.
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 3:20 PM
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lies is the problem
biggest problem is when you believe them
but you dno't think they are lies -- you think the opposition is lies.
too many people have gotten used to making statements and saying they are truth --
to them the statements are truth
but you need a foundation on which to build your house.
truth, the perception of such -- which is the house -- should be on a firm foundation.
otherwise when tested by storms, the house falls.
it is dangerous to state as truth something not substantiated -- when others believe and then discover the fallacy, then their faith is shaken.
and the one who shook their faith should be looking for a millstone.
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 26, 2004 at 3:16 PM
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aardvark, roflmao...
sorry everybody - but that was damn funny.
posted by
theinnkeepersdaughter
on October 26, 2004 at 3:12 PM
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but uni
Are you aware of what you just implied about yourself here?
If you can not take something and go and look up the facts before you post it, why should any one else?
Are you right now admitting to not being very bright?
Are you saying that the average blogger is more intelligent than you?
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 26, 2004 at 3:12 PM
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well you certainly
must think that I have some kind of power if you think people are going to read something on Blogit and take it run with it. I don't know how many times I have said "do not take man's (or womans) word for anything-find it out for yourself", whether that be scripture or web sties on line. I think you need to give the readers of blogit more credit. Or do you think that your readers are so stupid that they can't use the brain God gave them to figure things out for themselves, is that what you are trying to say?
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 3:07 PM
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If the days of the week are suspect, I vote no more Mondays.
posted by
aardvark
on October 26, 2004 at 2:59 PM
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no uni
But many are like you and are not willing to go and do the research, but will instead just listen to what they are told. When you go and spread something which is proven false then you are only helping to spread lies.
Are you saying you have every right to spread lies and to defend lies and to state lies as being truth? Or that it is a good thing for people to do so?
I never said you could ruin things, only that you wish to. I guess you want to have that much power.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 26, 2004 at 2:58 PM
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so then
are you impling that others do not have the ability to go research themselves? I don't have the power to ruin anything for anyone else, but I'm glad you think I am so powerful, I'm flattered.
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 2:53 PM
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uni
The post merely said you were trying to ruin things for others. That you get some kind of enjoyment out of doing that.
One such as you could never ruin things for me. I do not listen to propaganda and lies. If I ever feel that something might be propaganda, I go and look up the facts and make sure that I do not spread lies and such. You see I have a mind of my own and I can figure things out for myself without having to rely on propaganda and such.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 26, 2004 at 2:39 PM
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get an encyclopedia brittanica
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 26, 2004 at 1:57 PM
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tell me kook
what have I ruined for you personally?
Maybe that's just your guilty conscience.
Seems to be I've been a help to you, at least you get a couple comments when you post about me or what I believe. You should be thanking me and giving me a cut!
Get over yourself, your such a .....a......a DWEB!
posted by
PastorB
on October 26, 2004 at 1:50 PM
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roofpig
Straight out she has posted propaganda and leis. I have pointed out facts to her many times and she comes back trying to claim they are her beliefs, when in fact they are nothing but lies. I would not make such remarks if she just stated what she believes and left it at that. She does not listen to facts and truth. She keep spreading out right lies (There really is nothing else you can call. Druids really had nothing to do with Halloween, this is fact not belief) I feel it needs to be pointed out. She does not wish to listen to facts and truth but would rather continue to spread what she knows to be lies. I have known others who wish to do the same thing. There really is no facts to back up the idea of Halloween being evil. It is a very modern concept brought on by churches who wish to control people and spread propaganda and lies. The problem is there are many who fall for it all.
And ther are a few other bloggers who do this as well, just not as much.
posted by
kooka_lives
on October 26, 2004 at 1:37 PM
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Kook, normally I agree with you, but on this I feel I kind of need to stand up for the party in question. I don't know about the first blogger you mentioned, but I know who else this is directed at, and she stated - at least twice in two different places - that she wasn't trying to bring anyone else down, just that she wanted to share what she believed, and that's what I got from her. I'm not saying I agree with what she posted, and it may be propaganda for all I know, but I just felt I needed to stand up for her on this one.
posted by
roofpig
on October 26, 2004 at 1:19 PM
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